Tlaib accuses Biden of supporting 'genocide' of Palestinians, warns: 'We will remember in 2024

Lol so your response if that happened to your family would be: “Whatever you do make sure you comply with international law!!!!”

You’re joking right?

 

If Israel wanted to eradicate Palestine they could have done it years ago. Ffs they allow the Muslims to keep Temple Mount.

The Palestinian people support Hamas. They support the eradication of Israel and as many Jews as they can get rid of.
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NOBODY would tolerate those people living near them.

Palestinians are like your dog. He got bit by a raccoon and now he’s gone rabid. Are there still pieces of your dog in there that the sickness hasn’t tainted? Of course. But you still put him down.

 

So Hamas loves the Palestinian people and is doing everything it’s doing to benefit them.

^^ prove it. Show me in what ways they care about Palestinians.

Cause I’m not sure how forcing people to be your meat shield is a gesture of caring if they live or die.

Fact is Hamas doesn’t give a crap about Palestinians other than as useful tools to provide them food, water, and terrorist babies when they are alive and propaganda when they are dead.

 

What lead to Hamas coming to power? It wasn't the good will of the Israelis that brought it about. Read the history.

 

The only reason they haven't is because the international community, including the USA, will not let them. They would have done it decades ago otherwise.

 

And what would the Palestinians do if given the chance?

 

I didn't say that at all. Hamas is there to eradicate Israel. We all know that. You are obviously missing the point, or somehow cannot differentiate between Palestinians and Hamas.

 

The same. Because the leadership on both sides has been ****, driven by hatred instead of humanity. It is time for that to change. Or do you wish for hatred to win out and one side get eradicated? The people on both sides have had enough of this nonsense for a long time now, but the elites in Tehran and Tel Aviv refuse to heal the situation. And that brings us to today, where we have Hamas that is directed by Iran and propped up by Israel for the express purpose of giving an excuse to keep the senseless war going until one side is eradicated. It is ****ing stupid, and their stupid games are now dragging the rest of the world into their conflict, with some idiots cheering for the carnage to continue.

 

I don’t disagree. However, you’re talking about a utopian ideal that’s never going to happen.

Why do you think our ancestors used to wipe out the populations of the people they were fighting? It wasn’t just because they were evil and brutal and vicious. It was because they had learned over thousands of years that if you allow a people to survive after a prolonged and brutal war or conflict, the hate becomes so intense that peace is impossible, especially when you live in close proximity to one another.

The only solution is complete and utter surrender on the part of one side or the other brought upon them through brutal and devastating violence. There is no middle ground.

That’s what has to happen here. Either the Palestinians have to bring Israel to their knees or the Israelis have to bring the Palestinians to theirs. Both the Palestinians and the Israelis know this. That’s why the Palestinians want a state and the Israelis don’t want them to have one. Because Palestine knows that gets them put in a more advantageous position to wipe out Israel and Israel knows it puts them in a less advantageous position to do the same to Palestine.

These people in this region have been fighting since literally the beginnings of recorded human history. There can be no peace. It is kill or be killed. Those are the options.

And I’d prefer for the Jews to win because the Muslims want to wipe me and my family off of the face of the planet.

 

Things have changed big time in the world. Carnage and brutality was acceptable in the old world, because elites could easily hide their machinations through propaganda. In today's world , politicaians and other elites cannot hide their manipulations. The truth behind everything is evident. There are always cameras, always leaks, and it is impossible to hide anything. People overwhelmingly want peace, regardless of what their "leaders" say. Global consciousness has evolved, and the BS that occurred in the past will not be allowed to happen like it used to be. Sure, the conflicts may occur, but those responsible will be held accountable. The world has changed. Humanity has changed, is in the process of changing further. It may take a few more generations to pass before things truly change, but the process is in full swing right now. I believe when the *******s are finished playing their hands, peace will finally occur in the middle east. Or at least relative peace.

 

What lead to it? Religious fanaticism thinking they OWN land that was never theirs. You mean that?

Rep for Hamas just said Israel has no right to THEIR land? Who said it’s YOURS? Jews have been their since the dawn of time, no matter how far back you want to go. Palestinians can’t just say something then start killing everyone. You can but it makes you a terrorist.

 

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few of the people living in Israel were Jews in 1904 when they started moving there after the publishing of Der Judenstaat, so no, it wasn't Jewish land. somewhere around 35,000, that had immigrated there in the previous century. Overwhelmingly Arab lands.

 

That’s very idealistic. So one of the processes I always engage in when coming to a positional argument is to ask myself, what if I’m wrong. What happens then? And attempt to foresee what it would look like if my positional argument is incorrect and yet we still follow through with my idea.

So I’ll ask you the same thing. What if you’re wrong and the Palestinians do simply want to wipe out the Jews and wipe israel off of the planet so they can have a Palestine from the river to the sea and you give them citizenship and equal rights or even an independent state. What happens then?

 

Yes Jews were there “since the dawn of time”. But until Britain gave away what wasn’t theirs to give in the Balfour Declaration and what followed, the majority of residents were Arabic and known as “Palestinians” with Palestinian Jews among them (“Palestinian” being a reference to Palestine). Jews showed up from Europe and drove Palestinians out through terror campaigns. Those Jews called themselves “Zionists” and sought a Jewish homeland.

So the initial relevant wrongs that were committed were perpetrated by the invading Zionists, and the indigenous population of Palestinians have resisted and fought it ever since.

 

Then fighting continues. And What if I am right, and the vast majority just want peace and to live their lives and provide good opportunities for their families without having to worry about death and oppression, as well as being treated as full citizens?

 

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Some time ago I do believe the Palestinians did want to wipe out Zionism and Israel. Officially, the Palestinians didn’t aim at all Jews, I don’t believe. Rather, Palestinians reacted as anyone would to a cult, gang, or other invading group who persisted in terrorism and trying to drive the indigenous population out of their homes, off their lands, and out of sight. They reacted by trying to eliminate the invaders, of course. So yes, Palestinians came around to treating invading Jews/Zionists much as those Zionists had been treating the Palestinians.

 

Arab land owned by whome exactly? When it was cut up, who had control? Arabs have loads of land. LOADS!! Tons!! Israel is a tiny BLIP. A teeny weeny little stretch of land within the entirety of the ME and all the Arabs are living everywhere else. Why can’t the Jews who were there BEFORE Muslims were even a thing, have a tiny little piece of land without everyone around them trying to MURDER them? Arabs have EVERYWHERE ELSE. EVERYWHERE. And they agreed, those in power, that Jews can have this little piece. Here you go. But nope. Not good enough. Can’t be peaceful. Changed their minds. So they attacked and LOST!!! Then later attacked again and LOST!!! So the Arabs can’t accept the Jews and they can’t even accept other Arabs now. They don’t want the Palestinians either. How fascinating.

And now they’re attacking again and again and again. They have the ability to be 1st worlders. If they only were peaceful. Nope. They just want war and death. No peace. No matter where they go. They bring violence. France?? Yep. All over EU? Yup. The US? Yep. Violence and Death no matter where they live. Or total subjugation. No human rights. 3rd world standards masked with money in some places.

There would be peace tomorrow if Arabs actually wanted peace. But they don’t. They just want Jews gone. What wonderful people.

 

Hamas exists because of what Israel has done to the Palestinians

your words. Hamas caring about Palestinians is inherent in that opinion.

Sorry if you don’t know the meaning of the words you use

 

There’s no such history. You can’t just make up history to fit your wishes and biases.

 

How would you react if the place where you lived was the "sliver of land" that was designated to be given away? the "land without a people, for a people without a land" slogan was a lie. The land already had a people living there. And ever since the Jews arrived, there has been nothing but trouble, with both sides taking actions that have increased the tensions. The Jews were not anywhere near peaceful . They bombed a British administrative building, and threw explosives into a crowd of Arab workers, among many other incidents. And the Arabs had their share of violent acts as well. But trying to put the blame on the "violent Arabs" is completely ignoring the reality of the situation. "If only they had accepted peacefully..." Sorry, that is a massive skewing of the facts.

 

She is a fool and a traitor.

 

Hamas started something isreal is finishing. Palestinians have hated the jews irrationally for far to long. Isreal hasn't been the ones who have initiated any war, only retaliated.

Palestinians are going to have to get over the fact isreal exists. They are allowed to exist.

 

You're just upset that the west draws a line of what Russia can do and what is a war crime, and that the west erases that line for the Jewish state. Depriving millions of people from food is a war crime. It is what the Jewish state does, but you don't hear the west mention that. They do mention that depriving water and electricity from Ukrainians is a war crime. Do also note that Russia is accused of massacring civilians indiscriminately, yet in almost 2 years or something Russia has killed LESS civilians that Israel currently has massacred.

So that's a massive reason why the Jewish state massacres are blasted on TV. And subsequently the Jewish state tries to blast all kinds of positive news about their achievements. Do also note that 1 in 10 Israeli's are actually American citizens who due to their ethnic background gained an Israeli passport and live there. Those 600,000 Americans that live in Israel all got relatives in the US and they want to hear what is going on. And so the media sells the news to them. Because in the end, their business model is about selling news and mak a profit. So get a grip and embrace capitalism.

 

Nope. This whole thing didn't just start last month. Israeli's have been voting in 1 government after the other to commit war crimes in Palestine.
Hamas is just a reaction to what the Jewish state has done to Palestinians. The leader of Hamas is even a person whose parents got deported to Gaza for being Arab so the Jew could bulldozer it's entire town, erase the Arab culture and build a new city on top of their ruins. Them Israeli Jews know they broke international law in the past and keep on breaking it. And undoubtingly, when this is over, they will keep on breaking international law regardless with their colonization of the West Bank and East-Jerusalem. And this is unprovoked! So the blame is on them.