To neo-cons who think that welfare recipeints are lazy

Wow...this just boggles the mind.

Please...stay informed, because you are making yourself look REALLY bad. Cons don't blame the poor mooching off the system for the state of the economy...they blame part of the debt on it. Thats a big difference, which I'm not sure you quite comprehend.

The state of the economy was caused mainly by the Clinton administration...so yes I suppose elitist. It had nothing to do with the private sector however. At this point, I'm not sure you are even aware of what claims you creating, because they are contradicting each other.

No, by your suggestions that the bailouts are pocketed by elitists of the private sector, they would have to pocket the money...which wouldn't be spent so how would it possibly cause inflation. Inflation is caused by money spent such as stimulus packages.

And buddy this just seals the deal...! Inflation is when the value of money decreases due to there being too much in the system...artificial money...not real money. Money printed causes inflation, because it isn't backed up by any real material...since it becomes simple paper. If the gold backs the money up, then there wouldn't be inflation.

This is a sure sign that your school skipped economics class didn't it...

 

There are a group that might fall into a transition period. A job is lost. A woman with kids go through a divorce and the man doesn't pay child support etc.

But most welfare is spent on women who have had children with no spouse willing to take responsibility. A single person can make ends meet even on a small income. You bring a child in the mix and everything changes. Children to unwed mothers is the cause of MOST people going on welfare.

Casual sex creates welfare cases. See above.

We aren't talking about racism. We are talking about taking responsibility for actions. 60 years ago---it was expected that a child was first responsibility of the people who created she or he. Now...the government is responsible...which makes making children out of wedlock not such a bad thing.

 

Too much for you to handle all at once? You think that gold is not money?

Neo-Cons don't blame "part of the debt" on the economy, because if they did, they would have done something about the size of government when they controlled all three branches of government a few years ago. But, they didn't, and the government just kept on growing in size, racking up more debt for our kids to worry about. There is a difference between pretending to care about the debt and actually caring about the debt, which I'm not sure you quite comprehend.

The only problem I have with this statement is the term "mainly". To say that the Clinton Administration was "mainly" responsible is way off base. I would say they are only partially responsible. You have just been deceived by right wing propaganda.

I never said it did.

No, they only appear to be contradicting each other for the simple reason that you don't have any idea what I'm even talking about - it's over your head. My position is totally consistent.

Yes the bailouts were essentially pocketed, because the bailouts were simply paid back with more money creation and more bailouts. But these are not elitists of the private sector. The private sector does not rely on bailouts and subsidies from government agencies. Elitists who privitize their profits and socialize their losses onto taxpayers are not part of the private sector. That is a failure of the public sector.

Spending money is only part of what causes inflation. Expanding the effective money supply at a rate faster than goods and services being produced is what causes inflation. That is what happens when the Fed creates money out of thin air and the government spends it, which the banks use as a base to collect interest on money that is loaned out into the economy.

Inflation can happen with real money too.

Money being printed does not cause inflation. You have been mislead by internet anti-Fed propaganda.
Money being printed at a faster rate than the rate goods and services being produced, and put into circulation, is what causes inflation.

Wrong again. When gold is used as money, it has inflationary and deflationary cycles just like fiat currency. The cycles are just small and quickly self-correcting.

I'm not the one demonstrating a misunderstanding of how inflation and money work.

 

But they wouldn't need to go on welfare if the cost of living wasn't so high. They wouldn't qualify for welfare in the first place if the cost of living was lower. The government is to blame for our welfare problem.

Define "casual sex" please.

I'm not really talking about racism, either. I was just pointing out how your claim that America used to be more moral than it is now is complete bullsh**.

Baseless claim.

Government IS responsible because government created the problem in the first place. We are talking about taking responsibility for one's own actions, right? Perhaps We the People should hold government accountable for it's actions.

That's because having children out of wedlock is NOT a bad thing, at all.

 

The point is, at that time, that attitude prevailed. That a teenaged girl could get paid for being pregnant.

(also, her parents weren't wealthy, they were lower middle class).

 

Oh, really...at what point in time did the Neo-Cons have complete control of the government. the congress has been democratically controlled since 2006, the supreme court is about half and half. only the executive branch lately.

And secondly, creating a government healthcare system and spending more then any previous administration is fine...right?

My mistake..when I said *mainly*, i meant FULLY. Clinton, the CRA, and Fannie/Freddie are responsibly. Clinton is responsible for starting everything,

For the rest of the stuff you said, I know money printed at certain rates affects it also, but its obvios its being printed faster then its supposed to. You and I both know that. Liberal administrations are much more harmful to free nations then conservative ones.

 

individual welfare is a problem, but I would think that the recent discovery of 7 TRILLION dollars in welfare handed to the big banks might make some people wake up to which needs to be addressed first.

 

they are lazy.

 

Successful gamblers renamed "those that worked for it". (AKA......street scum...socialists...taking wealth from others). Socialism is okay, so long as it applies to the rich..(See Fox news or the RNC platform for further information).

 

Why don't people get real about what the rich/poor problem is all about, why don't we? The whites don't want to share the house with a black. That's REALLY what it's all about. The dems are viewed by the whites as supportive of the blacks and poverty, (and 8 million other stereotypical prejudices), and the republicans are the "defenders of the white people". Be honest....look in the mirror. Hence...white versus black (or rich versus poor if you're politically correct).

 

Chicken s*it right wingers....tough in the corporate world...not so much in the human world.

 

it's called corporatism, and the boys on the left are equally involved. They get great pleasure knowing that you swallow their facade of class warfare.

 

I don't think liberals are "for" black people either. Honestly, they are promoting the same kinds of programs that the millitary had for the natives in the 19th century. Everything that they got came from a central government provided storehouse, and they were forbidden to leave the reservation to work. It's the same sort of thing -- get the Black Man dependant on government and unwilling to work to get ahead, and you'll have a person dependant on you forever. That pretty much means that Blacks will never achieve the American dream because the government successfully destroyed their willingness and ability to provide anything for themselves or the knowledge about how to do so. In fact, liberalism doesn't even condemn some of the stuff that any idiot could tell them would destroy their chances at life. If you think education is "acting white" then you'll be poor forever, if you teach your kids to idolize rappers and gangbangers, they probably won't survive to age 25. If you teach young people to have babies without marriage, they'll be dependant on Government for generations.

That's the stink of the whole system -- it's almost like it's been designed to make darn sure that no Black Man could shake off the government programs that are designed to "help" him. It's the reservation system with welfare checks instead of guns.

 

The largest group of people on welfare is wealthy people who draw Social Security (welfare) benefits.

It is welfare because they collect over their lifetimes about 5-7 times as much money as they have paid into the system.

 

Honestly I've known of a lot of really... messed up welfare people.
I've also known some extremely hard working welfare people who have just landed on hard times and need to climb back up. Basically usually people who get fired, through no fault of their own, then either have trouble getting another decent job or go back to school.

I mean my family was on welfare for like 4 years several years back. If you called my dad lazy you anything you were an idiot. He lost his job after the whole business died then wanted to go back to school. He works so hard he stresses himself out like crazy and is work obsessed (seriously, he fells bad when he's not working and it's really annoying as he sucks at relaxing and always has to work).
My mom can't work because of health issues and some of my siblings have health issues.
Eventually he got done with getting a teaching degree and now is a special education teacher for the hugely developmentally disabled.

Work isn't tied to money. Work is tied to what you work at. We should be millionaires if work was tied to money lol. But no special education teacher makes that much and he's severely underpaid.

Well, I think of our time in Welfare (I was a kid) as how it ideally works. Someone uses it to climb back up. Now I'm sure he's paid taxes considerably more than he ever took in welfare. And it was a benefit to society.



That said, I recognize that a good portion of welfare people are just messed up. Druggies, lazies, etc. Though saying all of them are is stupid. There's a lot that use it because of health reasons, they're just down on their luck or whatever.

Sometimes it works. We should never have a country where a person can't pick themselves up. Without welfare there's no way my dad would have been able to go back to school. We'd be stuck on the bottom. The system needs reforms to encourage growth more.

 

This has to be about the most foolish post I've ever seen.

I love the way libs immediately make everything about race, as if everyone else is as racist as they are. Most conservatives don't care what race a person is, but the libs keep bringing up the subject as if it is the most important thing in the world.

 

You are correct, hiimjered.

 

Of course not, they look funny, talk funny, smell bad, are dirty, lazy, violent and stupid. Why would a white want to share the house with a black ?

 

I see what you did there....

 

stupid, baseless claim. race has absolutely nothing to do with class warfare. that's another one of the tricks the elite have up their sleeves. get people thinking in terms of race warfare...which is totally 40 years ago, to keep their minds off of the real war that is going on, which is a class war - the top elite against the middle and poor class. the welfare the elite give to themselves through inflation, bailouts, debt, subsidies and taxes is the real issue here. you have been deceived by left wing propaganda if you believe otherwise

 

They had total control of the government for 3 years, from 2003-2006.

Wrong, 2007.

The majority of justices on the Supreme Court from 2003-2006 were appointed by Republican Presidents.

Already disproven above.

Not at all.

Baseless claim. Alan Greenspan's policies are what kickstarted the housing bubble. Guess which President appointed him?

I disagree with your claim that liberal administrations are much more harmful to free nations than neo-conservative ones. The national debt increased 23% under Bill Clinton's reign. It increased by 86% under George W. Bush. The police state also expanded far more under Bush than it did under Clinton. Obama is on track to beat out Bush and Clinton as far as being harmful to this country. The only logical conclusion we can reach is that both Liberal administrations and neo-conservative administrations are harmful to free nations....with each outdoing his predecessor, no matter whether he was a Liberal or neo-con.

 

So what's your point? That people who aren't on welfare feel they deserve to be on welfare? What does that have to do with people who are actually on welfare?

 

Yep...they privitize their profits and socialize their losses. These people are not capitalists but merely wealthy socialists....corporatists, if you will. They believe in socialism for themselves...the rest of us have to play by the laws of the market and surrender our wealth to the elite socialists when they want it. But It's not just Fox News and the RNC. It's the entire liberal media network (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc) and the DNC as well. They are all controlled by those same wealthy socialists.

 

So, you know all of this I guess because you've been black sometime in your life huh? If you're white, you can't possibly know racism in the real world. BLACKS know what racism is, and it most definitely applies to the OP and to real life.

 

I can actually agree with most of this. Problem is, the CONSEQUENCES of such actions are not always the same. If you have the money or power, you really can get away with murder.

And when those that don't have the money or power see the ones that do get away with those immoral acts or crimes, they start to think 'Hey! I should be able to get away with it too! Why should they be able to and not me!'. Thus they begin to try and force others to bend to their will, using any means at their disposal.

Unfortunately, until we can find some way to make the consequences truly equal for any immoral or illegal acts committed, I think things will only stay the way they are now, or even get worse. I can only try to protect and nurture the people I love.

Thank you for your time.