Tokyo Olympics: Kiwi weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to become first transgender athlete to compete at t

I suspect that if we began DNA testing of athletes you might be surprised by the results.

Sywer syndrome women (XY DNA) tend to be taller than average which would give them an advantage in sports where longer limbs make a difference.

We have no idea how many have already competed and won medals in the past.

 

Still WAITING for one of the extremist rightwing heavyweight intellectuals on this forum to MAN'SPLAIN exactly how NEUTERING yourself purely for the sake of competing against women is a "WINNING STRATEGY" for any man?

Is this something that extremist rightwingers think about doing to themselves when they LOSE against other male competitors?

"I might not be the BEST male in my sport so I will just hack off my genitals and beat all of the WOMEN instead"?

 

XXY or XYY can compete in the Special Olympics. As stated, genitalia has nothing to do with it. XY would compete in the XY group.

 

You try to rationalize it.

 

So you support trans people competing in sports.

Got it!

 

YOU made that BOGUS allegation in the OP!

SAD that you CANNOT even ATTEMPT to substantiate it!

 

When have I ever said that I didn't ? I'm just trying to find a fair solution to the problem.

 

Is it fair for XXY or XYY to compete in the Special Olympics?

And even the Special Olympics is male and female, which would these be in?

 

Good point!

In essence that makes the Special Olympics unfair because what were previously able bodied athletes are now classified as "disabled" and competing against those with actual physical disabilities.

 

As long as we're making up new rules, just make a "various" category or have XX, XY, XXY, and XYY categories. Have a category for Male appendage + breasts or VJJ + adam's apple. It doesn't really matter any more does it? Just give everyone a golf medal and don't have a competition at all.

 

What BOGUS allegation, here is the OP

So men who can't compete with the top male athletes now get go compete against the women?

Of why have sperate men's and women's event now. Why not just one big event?

Tokyo Olympics: Kiwi weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to become first transgender athlete to compete at the Games

Kiwi weightlifter Laurel Hubbard will make history at the Tokyo Olympics by becoming the first transgender athlete to compete at the Games.

Hubbard has been named among five weightlifting athletes selected to the New Zealand Team.

Hubbard, who won silver at the 2017 world championships and represented New Zealand at the 2018 Commonwealth Games before suffering a serious injury in competition, will likely become the first transgender athlete to compete at the Olympics.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/to...pete-at-the-games/DM7ZUGW3HQ2IDL6O7OSAXT3YJU/

BTW what is your evidence this man "neutered" himself? Does the IOC say he must cut off his penis first? No, there is no such requirement.

 

He did better against males, he set New Zealand junior records prior to transitioning.

 

New Zealand "juniors". And he grew up and didn't keep in shape and could no longer compete against men so he says he's now a woman and tried to compete against them.

 

and cannot do that either

but it seems a bit extreme to cut off your dick just weight lift for couple years against women, don't you think?

 

I have to disagree, that all the musculature one might have developed, would suddenly vanish, w/out a high testosterone level to maintain it. Once you've got the muscles, all you need do is to keep working them. In fact, muscle tone develops in the initial building of muscle (through tearing it), so that it is even easier to rebuild
lost muscle, than to create it, "from scratch."

It just now occurs to me that, if testosterone is the only hormone that is being blocked, that might still leave a person who'd been born male at an advantage, if male levels of human growth hormone (HGH) are higher than females' (which I would guess they are), and the reduction of testosterone doesn't cause HGH levels to drop to an equitable level.

 

Not that this is as important of an issue as some people make it out to be, but you seem to be, in your 2nd paragraph, trampling all over your 1st paragraph's point. First you say she has hormone (testosterone) levels w/in acceptable limits for womens' sports; then you belittle the importance of testosterone. Aren't you defeating your own argument?

The point is that there IS a physical difference, or rather, differences, between men & women. These generally advantage men, in sporting competitions. So if it doesn't come just down to testosterone level, how can you say that "she," does not retain some unfair advantage from when she was, physiologically, still completely a, "he?"

I have got nothing against a person living their life as any sex they want. And if they are still young when they make this shift, I support allowing them participate in team sports. At that level, these are really much more about the experiences, the lessons, the finding of one's place. But to carry that on into an individual, physical, competitive, adult sport, does seem a bit problematic.

I don't know that there is any perfect solution for this situation.
If the testosterone is not a big deal, it's hard to argue with those asking what is so unfair about her competing against the men? As you point out, estrogen & testosterone can be made from one another (a man also converts testosterone into estrogen, btw). So this is not the sum total of the physiological differences, but it is the only yardstick that the Olympics uses. By your own argument, do you not see that this makes the gender line of separation a bit arbitrary, for transgender females?

If only there were enough transgendered people, to produce sufficient numbers of world-class athletes, I think a lot of viewers would find it an interesting twist, to see both transgender males & females, competing against one another, in their own, combined category. Ah, well.

 

SAD that you CANNOT substantiate your own BOGUS allegation.

Even SADDER that cannot even RECOGNIZE that you made a bogus allegation AFTER it has been POINTED OUT to you.

 

What BOGUS allegation, here is the OP

So men who can't compete with the top male athletes now get go compete against the women?

Of why have sperate men's and women's event now. Why not just one big event?

Tokyo Olympics: Kiwi weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to become first transgender athlete to compete at the Games

Kiwi weightlifter Laurel Hubbard will make history at the Tokyo Olympics by becoming the first transgender athlete to compete at the Games.

Hubbard has been named among five weightlifting athletes selected to the New Zealand Team.

Hubbard, who won silver at the 2017 world championships and represented New Zealand at the 2018 Commonwealth Games before suffering a serious injury in competition, will likely become the first transgender athlete to compete at the Olympics.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/to...pete-at-the-games/DM7ZUGW3HQ2IDL6O7OSAXT3YJU/

BTW what is your evidence this man "neutered" himself? Does the IOC say he must cut off his penis first? No, there is no such requirement.

 

The one that I have BOLDED in RED above!

How many MORE times am I going to have to POINT that out to YOU?

Sad!

 

What's BOGUS about it? He gave up in 2001 after one minor win in a minor country. He couldn't compete now against world class men so he did so against women.

 

It seems the Olympic athletes are unsure how to respond to questions about Hubbard.

Awkward silence after reporter asks about transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard

https://nypost.com/2021/08/05/repor...on-about-transgender-olympian-laurel-hubbard/

 

It seems the Olympic athletes are unsure how to respond to questions about Hubbard.

Awkward silence after reporter asks about transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard

https://nypost.com/2021/08/05/repor...on-about-transgender-olympian-laurel-hubbard/

 

MOVING the goalposts AGAIN?

You used the PLURAL term and NEFARIOUSLY implied that this was now COMMONPLACE as a means for male LOSERS to compensate for their FAILURES.

However you have CONSISTENTLY and ABJECTLY FAILED to substantiate your BOGUS allegation.

Sad!

 

Nope the goal are right where they were, he couldn't compete against the men so he tried to go beat up on women and I said NOTHING about commonplace but the fact remains we are seeing more and more including this nonsense.

So men who can't compete with the top male athletes now get go compete against the women?

 

Thank you for CONFIRMING that you DID post an UTTERLY bogus allegation.