Transphobia

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by AndrogynousMale, Apr 30, 2013.

  1. Unifier

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    If you want my honest opinion, I think it's important to remember that the D in GID stands for disorder. Which technically makes any kind of social acceptance cause for it no different than promoting BPD, MPD, ADD, or anything else as something to embrace and be proud of instead of something to treat. Which doesn't make any sense.


    Cricket's right. If you dress for attention, don't be surprised when you get it. It's not much different than leaving the house with tattoos on your face and a giant green mohawk.
     
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    But that's not the point. The point is the fear that comes along with it. The feeling that people are judging, can prevent you from exercising rights, just like any law could.
     
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    It's a term that's used mostly in the social justice community. I personally don't hang out much in their forums, mostly because a large portion of them are radical leftists. I agree with many of their opinions and analyses on gender, but they believe heavily in censorship, so they have a strong tendency to silence anyone who questions or disagrees with their methods.
     
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    But that's all on you. You can't put that on the other people. Your fears are yours to conquer. Not anyone else's. Everyone feels judged in some form or fashion. You either embrace who you are without regard for external judgment or you mute your personality and resent yourself for it.
     
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    You have the right to feel safe when you are expressing yourself. When people make you feel unsafe, there's a problem. You can hate them all you want, but if you deny them the right to be who they are, simply by peer pressure, that's unconsitutional. Hence why we have laws that protect freedom of expression from other people discriminating against them.
     
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    I agree that people shouldn't judge like that, but people also have a right to judge, however wrong in the moral sense such judgments are. There is nothing the law can do to force people not to stare. That is up to us, to educate people about why things like this are not worth staring at in negative ways. We can proactively normalize stuff like this, but we cannot make the current norm against it "illegal" through legislation.
     
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    They do have a right to judge, but they have no right to intimidate people because of it. So I do agree with a lot of what you're saying.
     
  8. Unifier

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    1) No one can control how you feel but you. Thus you don't have a "right" to feel anything. Because there would be no way to enforce that right. That's why the phrase was "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and not simply "happiness."

    2) No one is denying anyone the right to be who they are. If you are too self-conscious to express yourself, that's your own problem to sort out. We all wrestle with it to some degree at one phase or another in our lives. No matter who we are or what background we come from.

    3) Would you like to show me where the Constitution bans peer pressure? I would think every teenager everywhere would be in prison if that were the case.
     
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    You have the right to pursue happiness. But what happens when something is preventing you from doing that?


    Self-councious is one thing, but fear from what people might say or do, is something worse.

    Freedom of expression, comes from the first amendment.
     
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    And what would that be? Nothing that we've talked about here would fall into that category.




    Fear of what people might say? That is the exact definition of self-consciousness. It's fear of being judged by others. Which is nothing but a personal self-esteem issue. And you're over-exaggerating your fears of what people might do. Most of them won't actually do anything. Other than maybe point at you. And even those will be few and far between. Most people will simply whisper under their breath to each other trying not to be heard. If they do anything at all.



    Indeed. So who exactly is denying you that freedom?
     
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    They are insane perverts and they need to keep their bull(*)(*)(*)(*) insanity to themselves. And don't expect me to pay for your insane perversion either.
     
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    Never doubt the power popular feelings can have.

    There's a problem though. Self-consciousness, it doesn't matter what the truth is, but what you feel. In other words it rests upon the idea that the user feels concerned. The Fear I'm talking about is a real one. When people scorn you, and make you feel unwanted because of what you do, that's a problem, and that's not self-conscious. That can in effect take away your freedoms, simply by making you afraid.


    The great masses of the peoples' opinion.
     
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    I think transexuals are unstable and confused individuals. It is not ok, and I would get my child help if he or she had issues.
     
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    Look, I get that you're young and you probably still think peer pressure is a big deal. But there is nothing physically holding you back from pursuing your happiness. No laws are being broken. You are the only one that's in your own way of expressing yourself. You're a bright kid. And I'm really surprised to see you pushing such a silly argument here. You're better than this.



    NO LAWS ARE BEING BROKEN. No one can change what you feel but you. You have no control over external circumstances. Nobody does. Everyone gets judged. You simply either reach a point where you learn not to be bothered by it and just ignore it or you let it control you and you spend your whole life being afraid to express yourself. But there's nothing unconstitutional or illegal about social pressure. By your logic, politically correct liberals must have been taking away my freedoms in my teens and 20s because they pressured me to be like them and scorned all expressions of conservatism. They mentally beat me into submission and kept my mouth shut for years. I didn't find my backbone until I hit 30. I finally reached a point where I said, "This is bull(*)(*)(*)(*). These people are stupid. They're wrong. What do I care what they think of me?" And I've been proudly conservative ever since. Were they being unconstitutional before for trying to bend me to their liberal whims? Are they still being unconstitutional now since they are still doing it today even though I'm just ignoring it?



    Unless they are physically stopping you, then they aren't doing any such thing. Opinion, by itself, does nothing. Although if you fear opinion that much, you will probably spend your entire life as a wallflower.
     
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    Nothing physical? Feelings really aren't physically, they're emotional. What you feel, is more important than the truth in most situations.



    Of course no laws are being broken, because I'm talking about Norms. Being a conservative, that's a norm. Transgender, that's not a norm. Guessing by some of the posts around here, they have a reason to be scared of what people think of them.

    Opinions are the basis for everything we humans do. When we feel scared, it's an opinion, and whether it's true or not, that is irrelevant. Because what you feel is the truth, is ultimately more important than the truth itself.
     
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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Being openly conservative gets you freely bashed by tons of people who don't even know you. Look at all the hate, judgment, and misrepresentation that conservatives get on here alone. The point is that it doesn't matter exactly what you are, standing out in any regard is always going to get you noticed and subject you to scrutiny. That's just life.
     
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    40% of Americans are conservatives. 20% of Americans are liberals. Being a conservative more of a norm than being a liberal. But yes, you are right, and you have the full right to be a conservative. But the differnce is simple. It's okay to be a conservative, even if some disagree. Transgender, that's something to be ashamed and ridiculed for.
     
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    Okay, I'm going to end this discussion now. I've either misjudged your intelligence, or you are being deliberately obtuse here. I don't know what else to say without repeating myself.

    "The tall poppy gets cut."

    Meaning that if you stand out, you'll get noticed. Regardless of why you're standing out. I used to go out in public when I was younger with my face painted up in a fishnet shirt and vinyl pants. I know what standing out feels like. I know what it's like to walk into a room and have every eye on you with people pointing and whispering. You eventually get over it. Or even learn to enjoy it. It's not that big of a deal.

    If you don't want to be judged, the only way to do that is to blend in.
     
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    And you have the right to, but if you feel too scared to use your rights, then isn't that the same as a law violating them? That's the basis for my argument. One supported by history and common sense.
     
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    No. Because no one is making you afraid but you. And as I've stated over and over here, that's why your argument doesn't work. I'm beginning to see why you're a liberal. We've reached that inevitable point where you're blaming other people for your own actions. Which always seems to be the crux of left wing beliefs. It might be time to consult my signature.
     
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    The First Amendment is a protection of rights through the limitation of government powers, not from the actions of individuals. We have laws that deal with things like intimidation, assault, etc. So I'm not sure where you're going with all of this.
     
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    Like Kiss!? OMG pics now! ROFL! :D
     
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    LOL! More like Marilyn Manson. This was like 1998-1999. Somewhere around then. I was a young skinny long haired goth/metal kid. :D
     
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    OMG LMFAO! xD

    Just seeing your avatar 24/7 makes this so hard to believe!
     
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    Lol. I've changed a lot. It's amazing what going bald tends to do to a long-haired guy. You end up revamping your entire image and personality. I don't know what it is. It's almost like a subconscious thing. Once you start shaving your head, for some reason you just want to start lifting weights. And then you become an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) like I am today. 8)

    I just followed the path of Kerry King and Steve Austin before me.

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