Trials of Michigan school shooter’s parents set to test who’s responsible for a mass shooting

Today's trial, live

 

Oh, really? lol
Take your whining to the source.

Darthcervantes, Today at 2:39 PM

"She was scared her kid was going to kill himself? Wow! Totally shocking a parent would be worried about something like that. That's definitely JAIL material. you people make me laugh"



"Betcha the jury won't be laughing knowing that Jennifer ok'ed getting a Christmas gun for her kid days before he went on his shooting rampage when she was afraid he was gonna off himself.
Makes total sense though to you and your ilk."

 

Do we know what this evidence is? I agree it's probably not relevant UNLESS one can show either "parent" knew about it...

Did he tape himself torturing birds?? Hmmm

Can you imagine watching video of your child going down his school hallways shooting other students?? I myself cannot

https://news.yahoo.com/jennifer-crumbley-breaks-down-during-171437635.html

 

Hell no, but she should be watching what her kid did with the Christmas gift that she was so proud of giving him, so proud that she even posted about it.

I can't imagine having a kid who is obviously deeply troubled and not tracking every breath and action that they take and any guns that my husband had in the house would be removed for safety reasons and I would NEVER-EVER permit the kid of having a firearm.
I would also be in touch with the school admin/therapist and get an outside professional.

 

I know there's a lot of dispute about what these "parents" actually knew and when they knew it, but IMHO, they are both cooked for being called into the school on the day of the shooting, shown very disturbing drawings your son made, then leave without him or telling the school about his new shiny gun... That's case closed for me... The rest is gravy....

 

I guess you think that you had a point and that it justifies your misplaced point... " But he did it first " ...

 

She did know that 4 day's prior to being called to the school she gave him a firearm and was concerned that he would kill himself.

 

Try harder at deflecting.

 

If the couple in the teen shooting case get convicted, I'd like to see if they get sentenced like the woman below. Something tells they won't.

California Woman Who Stabbed Lover Over 100 Times Won't Go To Jail. Here's Why

A California woman who was convicted of stabbing her boyfriend 108 times was let go of by a judge. The court ruled that she was in a "cannabis-induced psychosis" and "had no control over her actions" when she stabbed her boyfriend, US media reported.

Bryn Spejcher, 32, stabbed Chad O'Melia during a drug-induced psychotic episode in 2018 and was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. On Tuesday, she was sentenced to two years of probation and was ordered to perform 100 hours of community service.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-...r-100-times-wont-go-to-jail-heres-why-4927627

 

I don’t believe these parents would have ever thought that their kid would have done this. I do think it’s very strange as a gun owner that they allowed him to have access to the gun. I have pistols for two of my kids that are revolvers. I don’t allow them free access to it by any means but they handle it well.

they do have access to their shotguns to hunt ducks in the back yard and to kill raccoons if they see one. I believe this is a different lifestyle though than city dwellers so I’m a bit shocked you would give a kid access to a pistol.

That said I don’t think manslaughter is an appropriate terminology for this action. Being they had zero to do with the choice of death at all. Many parents buy their kids guns and it’s perfectly legal. They just can’t legally be in possession of a pistol without parental supervision. I don’t think this is their fault though. From what I understand they never would have permitted him to have the gun without their supervision and the fact the history as short as it may be proves they were with him during use and that shows they intended for their presence during use.

yes, manslaughter is overboard and I do hope they are cleared of all charges.

 

Mama Jen had best hope she also gets a Republican judge,

 

JC expects her shooter son to convince the jury of just what?
His lawyer and shrinks are fighting the motion.

'Michigan mom wants school-shooter son to testify in her defense'


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mo...assmates-faces-manslaughter-trial-2024-01-23/

 

'Michigan mom wants school-shooter son to testify in her defense'


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mo...assmates-faces-manslaughter-trial-2024-01-23/
snip:

'When the charges were announced, prosecutors said the Crumbleys' failure to both secure the gun in their home and to respond to warnings that their son, Ethan, was violent and disturbed, justified the charges they face.
Defense attorneys have said in court documents that the Crumbleys had no way of knowing their son was going to carry out the shooting.
Legal experts have said the parents' trials break new legal ground.

Josh Horwitz, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Solutions, said school shooter's parents are often not held to account because of feelings that "they've been through enough" or because of lax enforcement of such measures as safe storage laws.

Holding more parents responsible when appropriate is an important step, Horwitz said, given that studies by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security have shown that around 75% of all school shooters obtained their weapons in the home.

"Rarely are high school shooters going out and buying guns from a gun store," Horwitz said. "The broader lesson from this case is that every parent who is a gun owner has a role to play, and that's the secure and safe storage of firearms."

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You may want to read up on this before you post….

 

This is what they'll both want him to say to their respective juries

SNIP
"My parents did not know what I planned to do," the now-17-year-old killer said. "They are not at fault."

But then he'll also have to repeat this as well

"We are all here because of me today, what I did ... because of what I chose to do. I could not stop myself," said Crumbley.
ENDSNIP

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...ence-oxford-high-school-shooting/71842418007/

I don't think that his parents not knowing his specific plans is enough to excuse their absence of parenting... If he "could not stop himself", it's incumbent on those closest to him to at least TRY if they spot obvious symptoms of that level of disturbance.

 

Well, seems that ain't gonna happen... no testimony from the kid, Ouch, yet not surprising

SNIP
Jennifer Crumbley's manslaughter trial continued on Friday with Judge Cheryl Matthews saying she will prohibit the defense from calling her son, school shooter Ethan Crumbley, to the stand because he intends to plead the Fifth Amendment on the stand.
ENDSNIP

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ethan-crumbley-intends-plead-stand-mothers-trial/story?id=106705675

I mean, seriously... what is he going to take the Fifth for at this point?? It would be one thing if he hasn't already been sentenced to life, but I'm not sure I see the point. As an observer, the only thing I can draw from that is he has no problem if his parents go down with him...

Not exactly the Partridge Family here, folks...