Trump Allies Target Journalists Over Coverage Deemed Hostile to White House

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

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    Muslims would never go for your plan. If they did they wouldn't be Muslims.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But of course you post no evidence of this claim. And you used to be a school teacher? Parents should be horrified that you were ever put in front of impressionable minds.
    Just incredible. http://www.marxist.com/publications.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_parties
    You actually have concerns about a 'smear' of the Left? That's just another of your looney statements that have become so predictable..
     
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    Unfortunately and regrettably, I find the threat to my vision stronger, greater, and more immediately felt, from the side whose brief you carry than "Muslims" in Iran. Of course, there will be resistance to that vision from certain circles in Iran, if that vision is seen as ultimately aimed at undermining the power of Iran's Philosopher King (aka Supreme Leader). But if its purpose is to help usher a new Islamic renaissance, with the other models mainly to give the Islamic one the competition it will require to improve itself and its message, then I hold hope that this will indeed prove the destination which the course of events will gradually take Iran towards.

    In the meantime, I am not sure how versed any of you are in philosophy to understand what I will say below, but let me remind you that the "Muslims" in Iran belong to a tradition that is actually quite suited to elevate reason above dogma and scripture. A true Islamic renaissance in Iran will start, not with making laymen equally capable of interpreting religion (and then giving us our version of your Christian evangelicals) but by training our Islamic jurists with the best human and education and the mind can offer. The basic foundations for such an education already exists in Iran's seminaries, where the Socratic method employed today in American law schools, is the basic mode of education there as well. The intellectual foundation is there too: not much has been added to philosophy that isn't already found in Iran's greatest philosophical traditions. People like Descartes and Hume and others had (maybe even smarter) counterparts in Iranian philosophical traditions. All we need is to make sure is to close the road on the one detour that ultimately caused the advance of knowledge and learning to be arrested within Iran's own traditions. To adequately explain that detour would require a discussion on subjects that would fly over the head of anyone who isn't versed in Irano-Islamic jurisprudence and philosophy, and especially its Shia version, but in its basic essence, that detour emerged when the idea of "consensus" among Islamic scholars in interpreting the true meaning of religion began to resemble an albeit updated version of the Sunni "Ijma" (which forces religion to live by the interpretations of the 'consensus' among the Prophet's followers). Theoretically, however, in light of the explicit sources of law in \Shia Islam (where both reason and the consensus of Islamic scholars today are among the 4 principal sources of law and where it is recognized without reason, you couldn't even begin to interpret scripture), all that you need for that road to be paved is already there.

    Of course, and to be sure, the same way some "Muslims" didn't find the products of Irano-Islamic civilization during the Golden Age of Islam to accord with "true" Islam, giving rise to the movements which were later represented by the Wahhabis and their ilk, there will of course be those who will try to claim the product of any such renaissance as I suggest not be the face of "true Islam" either. And that "true Muslims" couldn't possibly be like what I suggest they would be. But that is not a fight Iran is unaccustomed to fighting: we have been fighting this for a long time and are fighting it still.
     
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    FROM LONGTIME NEWSPAPERMAN DON SURBER, A WARNING: Reporters Made Themselves A Target.

    Act like political operatives, get treated like political operatives.
     
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    I dont think they are very math literate if they need a machine to do the simplest math problems for them

    Such as the customer owed $3.67 and he gives you a $20 bill

    How much change do you give him?

    Many teenagers on their first job cant make change without the machine
     
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    Ok

    Maria cant get a job but e-verify cant stop her from having an anchor baby

    Then the left will put her on welfare for the sake of the child and can stay in America for the rest of her life
     
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    So, then, you reject the claim that liberals are supporting illegal immigrants because they figure the illegals will vote for them, especially if and when they become citizens?
    "Your?" I talked about what liberals believe (see above). Reading problems? Game playing?
     
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    I'm not interested in proving to you or anyone else that Trump attacks blacks and Latinos.
    So, parents should be "horrified" because I didn't provide evidence on a point most people aren't interested in discussing. Uh huh.
    Marxism-Leninism has disappeared from China, Vietnam, the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, and on and on.
    Saying someone is a threat to democracy isn't a smear job? Hohhhh-Kayyyy...
     
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    JakeStarkey said: The absurdity is to deny that Christians burned crosses.
    It's absurd to deny that they identify Christian. You aren't the one to say 'yes' or 'no' to that. :)
     
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    I imagine Dems hope the immigrants will vote blue when they become citizens, and I know the Pubs are hoping for cheaper labor from them to keep down prices.

    This issue is not beneficial to only one party. To suggest so just startles common sense.
     
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    A little repression for people who won't kowtow?
     
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    Some of the left would put her on welfare, most would not.

    You should be the offspring of an American parent to be a birth citizen. We should fix that.

    We need an effective e-verify system. We can decide how much to spend on physical barriers.
     
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    What about my point that we need math specialists teaching math?
     
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    I am not against e-verify

    But its not a panacea
     
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    Yes, I can say "yes" or "no" to that. Everyone in the United States of America has the right to say that. The KKK isn't a Christian organization. You can say you're a brain surgeon, but I have the right to make my own determination on that fact.
     
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    If you mean instead of the football coach or a womens studies graduate I tend to agree
     
  17. LangleyMan

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    It's more important than a wall.
     
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    You won't attract enough skilled teachers if you don't increase their pay.
     
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    No it isnt

    We need a variety of tools starting with the wall
     
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    You are wrong on this as usual, Migrunt, The KKK identified as Christians. They donated to Christian churches and organizations. You can say they were not Christians, and no one believes that.
     
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    You will not get that type of wall for which you yearn.
     
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    Many people give money to churches. That doesn't mean they're Christians. How absurd.
     
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    Whenever you get into political strife such as we in America ae experiencing today, episodes like this surface at an ever increasing rate--on BOTH sides. To stop it, BOTH sides have to want to stop it enough to cooperate with each other to end it. Turnabout isn't fair play. Turnabout is an ongoing disaster.
     
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    It's the height of absurdity to say the KKK did not identify as Christians.
     
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    We’ll see
     

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