Trump fans chant "USA!" while Latino protester is assaulted at Miami Rally

So you rely on unproven theory, The Leopold Frankenberger theory.

You really shouldn't use a theory that has yet to be proven as anything other then "not probable" as some sort of fact.

And yet you just used the Leopold Frankenberger theory as fact.

A right by its very nature is limiting.

 

trump supporters are just as dumb, cruel, racist and inhuman as he is - big news, who wud have thought?

 

Surprisingly here in New Mexico many of my Hispanic friends intend to vote for Trump.
Why? Because they are fed up with the illegals taking away jobs and being treated better than the Mexican immigrants who came to America through the proper legal channels.

 

So name calling what you do not agree with? I still have had no one answer what "race" Trump has even made bad comments about. So far nothing. I am sure you will not answer the question either.

 

Fear mongering? Fear mongering??? What in hades is wrong with you? There's being blinded by ideology and partisanship, and being willfully ignorant and even outright willful stupidity. That's rolling them all up in one and amplifying it by a few orders of magnitude!

That $18 trillion debt the federal government has? It's not just a debt, it's an asset for the people who lent the government that money. That is, everyone who owns a T-bill. For the most part, that's the American public. T-bills are regarded as the safest of safe investments, so they're the core of most savings portfolios. From personal savings bonds to IRA's to retirement and pension funds, millions of Americans have T-bills as the foundation of their nest eggs. The resale value of those securities is determined by the bond market. While the bond market is considerably less given to extreme mood swings than the stock market, it's still a market. And when have you ever heard of any market hearing some horribly bad news headline that directly effects their assets and just shrug it off, saying it will all work itself out? As soon as anyone starts panic selling T-bills at below face value, it's going to start a chain reaction of ever more panic selling. Now since something like this has never actually happened in modern times, no one knows how exactly it would play out, how far that chain reaction would go, or how to stop it. Or even if it's possible to stop it at all once it's started. But even in a best case scenario, even if the chain reaction stopped almost at once, even a small drop in the value of those T-bills will make massive amounts of wealth evaporate over night. That would send massive shockwaves throughout the economy. Just to give you a sense of scale, the Great Crash of 1929 wiped out $348 billion in assets. (Inflation adjusted to 2015 dollars.) Messing with the debt ceiling risks sending a body blow to the economy up to fifty times bigger than the one that set off the Great Depression. And on top of that, because it's a default on the debt, that would cripple the federal government's ability to borrow and provide emergency stimulus to try to stop this. And the Federal Reserve's rates are already at zero. We'd have very little ability to do anything at all to stop the economy from freefalling.

Are you starting to get the picture yet of just how catastrophic a default could be? You call me a scare monger when you're the ones playing with a loaded gun like it's a fracking toy!! And you wonder why the Tea Party is held in such utter contempt by the rest of the country. This is not a game. This is not cowboys and injuns. This is serious adult business with very real consequences. To be blunt, if a default actually happened, the entire Congressional Republican caucus should be arrested for treason and terrorism and sent to rot in Gitmo with the rest of the "unlawful enemy combatants."

 

Yes, FEAR MONGERING!
You (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about being blinded by ideology and partisanship, and being willfully ignorant and even outright willful stupidity and then you go right on and show your ideological stupidity.

Payments would be prioritized.

 

Payments would be prioritized, huh? Yeah, that's a great idea. Rather like saying that you're going to stop paying your mortgage but that's okay because you'll keep paying your credit card bills. If the debt ceiling is breached then somebody isn't going to get paid. Actually, a great many somebodies aren't going to get paid. And that will impact the bond market, and you know it. You can play your little game of rejecting reality and substituting your own if you want, but if you do it in a way to massively damage the welfare of the nation that is treason. "But I didn't do it!" is not going to cut it. "It's not my fault!" isn't going to cut it. "It's not supposed to work like that!" isn't going to cut it. None of your sniveling rationalizations and excuses will cut it. If you drink and drive and kill somebody, going on about how your blood alcohol level couldn't have been over the limit and you have the calculations to prove it isn't going to excuse a d*** thing and you will go to prison and you'll deserve to. Like I said, this isn't a game. This is grown up time, with grown up consequences.

 

Treason? Still FEAR MONGERING!

Sniveling rationalizations?

Nothing in your "scare" scenario is imminent, it is all based on assumptions and models. Many economists agree, "the country can go past the deadline for raising the debt limit without major economic problems."

Yes, FEAR MONGERING with added ignorant insults.

 

A bunch of tea Party wingnuts are not "many economists." Look, if you want to convince yourself that Congress can override the Constitution whenever they feel like it, that's your business. You want to believe that immigrants (either legal or illegal) take away people's jobs, well, that's kind of spreading hate, but on the scale of such things is pretty minor. But you want to call for breaching the debt ceiling? That's not okay. Not in any way, shape or form. You've talked to me often enough to know that I argue hard for my position, that I don't pull my punches and when I see something as crazy or hateful or whatever I haven't the slightest hesitation to say so. But you should also know that I don't throw around words like "treason" lightly. When I say that if a default actually happens the entire Republican caucus should be arrested for treason I am absolutely 100% dead serious. And to be blunt, calling for a default is just a hair's breadth away from calling for the violent overthrow of the government. Again, that is not hyperbole or rhetoric or exaggeration. You are walking right up to the line of criminality, and if you put a toe over it you should be arrested and thrown in prison.

Now you can laugh it off and make petty insults and pretend that this is all make believe. I'll be surprised if you do anything else. But like I said, this is grown up time with grown up consequences. You are playing with fire.

As an aside, if a default actually happened, the feds would probably have to arrest the Republican caucus if for no other reason than to keep them from being lynched by the angry mob.

 

The TP are economists? SMH
If the Citizenship Clause is nothing but declaratory of existing law, how is the USC being overridden when it doesn't expand or limit the law? So illegal immigrants taking jobs is now hate when it has been shown to be a fact? :sigh:

When did I state I wanted to breach the debt ceiling? You have a habit of projecting things on to people when they never stated such.

Your "seriousness" has little bearing on reality.

If this is "grown up time" maybe you should go back through this conversation and point out where I stated I wanted to breach the debt ceiling verse acting like you are the child hood "know it all".

 

Ah, so that's what this is all about. Ideology. Sigh. After all the suffering and death and destruction that's been caused by ideology, I really wonder why it still appeals to people.

The reality is that ideology is bunk. All ideology. Left, right, economic, social, religious, all of them. Because in the end all ideology boils down to the same thing: "We're Right, everyone else is Wrong, and that makes us better than them." The ideas behind any particular ideology make no difference. The behavior ideology brings out in people is always the same. Think about Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia. Both regimes acted pretty similarly to each other, wouldn't you say? Even though Nazi and Communist ideologies are radically different to each other and explicitly in direct opposition to each other.

No matter what you may have heard, we all want pretty much the same thing. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, we really aren't so different. We all want a peaceful, prosperous world where we can all live in security with as much freedom to choose the course of our own lives as possible. We all want a better future for our children and grandchildren. We may have different ideas about how to get there, but that's a good thing. Because we need each other. None of us have all the answers, and we can always learn from each other. the more points of view we have, the more different approaches to a problem we have to choose from, the more different fields of expertise we can bring to bear, the better solutions we can find.

Even though we all think that we're right, we have to resist the temptation to think that we're Right. Beliefs are a bad thing - we should never have anything stronger than opinions. Because we have to keep questioning what we think we know. We have to remember that being factually right and being morally right are two different things. And being factually right doesn't make anyone a better person.

 

The world according to Trump, according to Zerohedge. Trump is going to raise their taxes.

 

Tit for tat
Man Holding Protest Sign Removed From Clinton Event In Dallas
A man was removed from a rally where Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was speaking In Dallas Tuesday.
The man was holding a sign that said “Yes Ms. Clinton, It does make a difference” when he was escorted out. That sign was apparently in reference to her testimony before Congress in January of 2013 regarding the September 11 attacks in Benghazi that left four Americans dead. “We had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night and decided to go kill some Americans? At this point what difference does it make, Senator?” Clinton asked Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis.
According to CBS 11’s Jack Fink, the man was escorted out of the rally.

The man had earlier held up a larger sign mentioning past scandals involving the Clintons. That sign was ripped down by someone after which he then raised the smaller sign seen in the video. That smaller sign appears to have been torn off the bottom of the larger sign.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/11/17/man-holding-protest-sign-removed-from-clinton-event-in-dallas/