Trump fans chant "USA!" while Latino protester is assaulted at Miami Rally

Lol, whenever anyone goes into this little corner of the argument, you know they've lost.

People have been killing and taking land from each other since the beginning of time. There is no possible way to "go back".

Hell, even the American Indians were killing and stealing from each other long before whitey ever showed up.

The only difference is, we've took it, and kept it. No one has taken it from us yet, although lefties seem hell bent on letting illegals have it.

 

I've been Mod warned in this thread. So I will stop at Thanks , I support what you said fully.

 

Natives? You mean like casino Indians?

I did enjoy the video. The protesting punk got kicked out...hahahaha! These "protestors" are attention whores so they do not mind getting a little pushed around if it is on camera.

 

Most violent thing I have seen on television since the New York Mets won the National League pennant a couple of days ago. Shesh. And, all of it coming where? At a Trump rally, in the Doral Hotel Resort and Country Club in Miami - which - BTW - Mr. Trump - owns. FIU student's protest? They want violence, they should have gone over to Coral Gables where the University of Miami just fired Al Golden, their underachieving football coach five years after the Canes' collapsed from monsters to kittens in college football. UM runs a special Obscenity 101 course for their football fans. FIU students - LOL.......and the media people, who looked liked they outnumbered the "protesters" follow a dumb lady, yelling something, like it was news - didn't make the news in Miami.............

 

Last check, Trump was leading Florida's two candidates and ahead among Latino voters in the Sunshine State, Arizona and Nevada.........

 

Yea, the amount of blood left on the Doral Floor's conference room carpet from this skirmish was ugly..............

 

Trump could buy all of Miami's Little Havana with tip money if he wanted. Florida is one of his strongest real estate bases...........

 

Crazed GOP strategist for the Corporatists calls for the murder of Donald Trump

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...onor-class-must-put-a-bullet-in-donald-trump/

 

DONALD TRUMP: DEMANDS DISNEY REHIRE WORKERS REPLACED BY CHEAP FOREIGN LABOR

BNN: The media has been filled with stories about companies flying in low-wage H-1B workers to replace American workers in tech jobs. Adding insult to injury, these American workers have been forced to train their replacements. If you were President, would you put a stop to this practice?

DT: Day one. This is why I got into this race. Because the everyday working person in this country is getting screwed. Lobbyists write the rules to benefit the rich and powerful... to help them get rich at the expense of working Americans by using H-1B visas–so called “high tech” visas–to replace American workers in all sorts of solid middle class jobs. If I am President, I will not issue any H-1B visas to companies that replace American workers and my Department of Justice will pursue action against them.
...
DT: ... America produces the best and brightest in the world. It’s time to stand up for own students–many of whom are racked with terrible, terrible debt and facing a disastrous job market. We are graduating two times more students in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) than find jobs in those fields every year. We have a surplus of talented Americans and we need them to get jobs first.

BNN: What should happen with the Florida workers who have been replaced?

DT: I am calling TODAY on Disney to hire back every one of the workers they replaced...
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ign-labor-calls-rubio-silicon-valleys-puppet/

 

If Trump is so hated by the wealthy elites it is more reason to back him.

 

Getting tossed out on his ass is a vast improvement over what the democrats used to do to silence the opposition, burning down churches, lynching black and white republicans, mass riots killing hundreds of blacks, and running entire populations of blacks out of town.

I'm Hispanic, so trying to say blacks and Hispanics don't support Trump is just a lie and repeating it over and over doesn't make it true.

You also get graded on

Truthfulness - F

and

US History - F

 

So, two takeways from this this exchange:

relativism will get you nowhere.
And you are in no position to be grading me on anything.

Have a nice day.

When you decide to debate like an adult, we can try this again sometime. Maybe.

 

Unlike you, I'd never use relativism to excuse the past behavior of the democrat party.

I was using an analogy to put into perspective the difference between republicans and democrats. It does fall short
in that black and white republicans were not disturbing the peace or violently disrupting democrat gatherings, they
were only guilty of trying to vote.

Critiquing your response is merely an attempt to be helpful to you so that in the future your responses can be more
thoughtful and well written.

For mischaracterizing my analogy as relativism and the insinuation that I am not an adult, I'll have to say that there
is much room for improvement:

F

 

I am disgusted that those racist fake Americans would dare sully the name of the United States with their filthy mouths. The United States stands for freedom, equality, and opportunity. Values those scumbags have completely rejected. They're the ones who should be deported, not Latinos. They're the parasites leeching the life from American democracy with their hate and bile and xenophobia, not the people coming here to build houses and work in restaurant kitchens. One immigrant probably does more real work in a week than all those thugs have done in their entire lives put together.

And why in the world would you think the Democratic party of a century and a half ago has anything at all to do with the Democratic party of today? Why not go further back and start attacking today's Democrats for Andrew Jackson's policies? Parties change over time. All of the Democrats involved in the events you're talking about have been dead for decades. For that matter, are you going to attack today's GOP for pushing for a harsh, punishing Reconstruction of the South? Both the Republican and Democratic parties of 2015 share almost nothing with their counterparts from 1870 aside from their names. Suggesting otherwise is simply nonsensical.

 

Don't forget their unquestioned fealty to plutocrats...

 

So now shouting, "USA! USA! USA!", is a pejorative and racist?

I agree, and so would they. We are a country of laws. What we don't stand for is lawlessness; freedom to violate our immigration laws; equality to rapists and murderers who shouldn't be here; and opportunities to take jobs and suppress wages of hard working black, Hispanic and other American families of any race.

I think the democrats reject the values that make America great when they import cheap slave laborers to work in the fields replacing their once abundant supply of black slaves they used to have before the civil war. Democrats were the party of slavery then, and they are the party of slave labor wages and earnings for America's working poor. But you go right ahead and tell those hard working American construction workers, carpenters, drywallers, pipe fitters, landscapers and factory workers who've lost their jobs to cheap illegal immigrant workers that they are the ones who should be deported.

I'm amazed that democrats, who are supposed to be for the working class, would denigrate those hard working American workers struggling to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads by calling them nothing but a bunch of hate filled racist xenophobes because they lost their job to an illegal immigrant.

Just how much do you hate Americans? I'd like to see the statistics on that because if you got some then I'd like to tell you the truth. I do have some stats on that, but I'll let you try to prove that assertion first.

You mean aside from the long abismal Democratic Party's Record on Race? I think that I already made that point. Democrats only care about importing cheap slave labor and they don't give one damn about what it does to black families, black incomes or black unemployment. Democrats have put blacks at the back of the civil rights bus for decades concentrating on gay civil rights, women's civil rights, and now immigrant civil rights. What exactly have democrats done for blacks, ever? Please tell me, this I'd like to hear. Democrats have taken the black vote for granted for many years and I hope that black Americans will finally rise up and say, "we're not gonna take it anymore".

[video=youtube;KuUGu1igsyY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuUGu1igsyY[/video]​

Well it is sad the Reconstruction ended because it led to one hundred years of oppression and Jim Crow Laws. It led to 100 years of lynchings, torture and rape of black people at the hands of the democrat's terrorist wing the KKK.

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You see, just for the record, and let all in PF see this: I am not here to get into a pissing match with anyone. I've already made some nice contact with some very intelligent Conservatives here who are already getting the message that I am not here to attack them personally in any way, shape or form.

We are supposed to be discussing ideas, not individual members. I think the PF rule pretty clearly lay that point out there for all with eyes to read.

You don't know me well enough to be making any assumptions about my person at all, and even if you did, it would not be your place to saying such about me as a person here in PF. It's really that simple.

I don't do relativism,I don't do deflection and again, just for emphasis, I don't do pissing matches.

What I DO do is to put people who continue to make personal comments about me on permanent IGNORE, so that the problem no longer exists. What I am saying with that sentence is that this is your very last chance to debate with me like an adult without getting personal. You will notice, I have written nothing personal about you at all, nor have I graded you nor have I made any assumptions about what you will write or what you will do, because I am an adult. And adults know how to behave.

Learn from this experience.

Thanks.

 

Correction: leading among the very few Latinos who will vote in the Republican Party primaries. That is a far cry from the Latino statistic for the overall electorate come Fall 2016. This is a critical point, one worth discernment.

The Republican Party is so well over 92-94% white that in polling, even with large groups, the pollster cannot even provide a meaningful statistic for minority vote subgroups. Check out IPSOS/Reuters:

http://polling.reuters.com/#!respon...ID_:2/dates/20150808-20151030/collapsed/false

Open up the "personal" submenu on the left and go to "hispanic".

You will see that all plotter points disappear, because for the time frame from August 8th through all of October, 2015, Reuters was apparently unable to find even 150 hispanics (out of about 550 interviews PER day, or about 47,0000 in this time frame) to make a reliable statistic.

Same thing for the Asian vote: so few GOP respondents who are asian that they cannot even produce more than one plotter point per month. Wow.

And when a statistic for a minority group within GOP nomination polling is available, it is so small that the MoE (Margin of Error) makes the data essentially worthless.
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Exactly, I have the figures to show blacks make up approximately a third of all Democratic Primary voters and over half of the states in the south. Hispanics are not far behind blacks in the Democratic primaries. In the Republican primaries, minorities are well below 10%, all minorities.

Many polls break down the Republican primary voters by race and a candidate winning 50 or 60% of say Hispanic votes in the primary when Hispanics make up less than 10% of all GOP primaries voters is meaningless in the general election. CNNORC in a head to head match up between Clinton vs. Trump in the general has Trump wins the white vote 54-40. Now CNNORC doesn't break down the minority or nonwhite vote, they grouped them altogether with Hillary winning this group 72-25.

PPP has Trump winning the white vote 53-25 over Clinton. Now PPP does break down minority voters into blacks and Hispanics. Clinton is winning the black vote 81-8 with the remaining undecided or don't know. But come election day one can see close to 90% of the black vote will go to Clinton, Historical average. Hispanics, Clinton is winning those 59-30. Again close to the historical average although Romney only got 27% of the Hispanic vote in 2012. I think most of those undecided/don't know Hispanic's will end up voting for Clinton.

Now Carson picks up 35% of the Hispanic vote vs. Clinton, Jeb Bush 30% the same as Trump at this point, Cruz gets 31% and very surprising to me is that Rubio according to PPP is getting only 25% of the Hispanic vote. But Rubio appeals to older Cuban's and not Mexican or Central American voters. But this is only one poll and I expect Rubio if he gets closer to the lead would do better than the rest. But time will tell.

 

And when Hispanics are the majority and our country is no better off than where they came from who will they blame then? White people? Sorry but the people define a country and as white people have been bred out we have declined. This isn't opinion. It's a measurable fact. When the U.S. Is no better off than Mexico guess who is the cause of all of it? The writing is already
on the wall. Anyone who lives in or near an area that has shifted from white to Hispanic can see the decline quite clearly. It's rift there. Higher crime. Lower property values. More poverty. Clear as day. So sad.

Living through it right now in south FL. It's undeniable.

 

The "protestors" were clearly traitors. They should be dealt with and they were.

 

Those... people were chanting "USA!" in response to peaceful protesters being assaulted for daring to stand up for the rights of Latinos. They're using the name of the United States as a racist pejorative. The name of a nation and an ideal that my family has fought and bled for for generations. The name of an institution that my ancestors crossed an ocean and endured being treated as "white negroes" to be a part of. So I hope you'll forgive me if I take those neo-confederates defiling the good name of the United States a bit personally. They have no more right to be chanting "USA!" than Kim Jun Un's personal bodyguards do, and listening to them is every bit as nauseating as hearing the North Korean secret police doing it would be.

Again, it's a racist lie that immigrants take away the jobs of the native born. It's a slander on nearly the same level as saying that Jews steal Christian children to sacrifice in their rituals. The entire nativist movement is built on nothing but lies and fear and bigotry. Every argument I have ever heard to fear and hate the foreigner, the outsider reduces down to a mere rationalization of simple hate and xenophobia on closer examination.

Freedom, equality and opportunity means freedom, equality, and opportunity for everyone, not just the privileged few. When those things are reserved for an elite, that's called aristocracy, and is the antithesis of everything the US stands for. Claiming to be for liberty while actively trying to take those liberties away from immigrants and Latinos is not only disgusting hypocrisy, it's an affront to the entire Free World. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

Scapegoating immigrants for speaking with a strange accent and having a different complexion is the epitome of racism and xenophobia. You're seriously going to blame job losses on immigrants and not the recession? You're seriously going to blame immigrants for stagnant wages when the 1% have been accumulating ever more of the nation's wealth, no matter the cost to others? I understand the fear and anger of everyone facing economic insecurity. Mistakenly lashing out at the wrong target because of the fear and anger is a human failing that any of us can fall victim to. I do not blame any individual for being swept along by the passions of their peers. But to persist in such a course when you know better is to reject American freedom and justice and embrace tyranny and oppression. And those who actively and knowingly work to advance that tyranny are the ones who deserve to be deported if anyone does.

The only real Americans involved in the incident at that Trump rally are the protesters who were assaulted. The thugs who assaulted them and those who cheered the thugs on are nothing but pretenders.

I admit that I overindulged in hyperbole there, but I find people who spend their lives behind a desk accusing the people who do the real physical labor of being parasites to be infuriatingly hypocritical.

(Raises an eyebrow) It's sad that Reconstruction ended? I'd be careful about saying such things too loudly around your Tea Party "friends." Remember that they want to end birthright citizenship so they can deport any descendants of illegal immigrants. You might just find yourself on the receiving end of that passion for deportation if you're not ideologically pure enough.

For the umpteenth time, how does the Democratic Party of a century and a half ago have anything to do with the Democratic Party of today? The people who perpetrated Jim Crow etc were white Southern conservatives. You'll not find many of them in today's Democratic Party. For that matter, I'd like to see you produce a Klansman who's voted for any Democrat in the last thirty years. Claiming that today's Democrats are working to oppress blacks because of the actions of the Civil War era Democratic party makes about as much sense as claiming that today's Democrats are trying to destroy the Federal Reserve because Andrew Jackson dismantled the Bank of the United States.

What have Democrats done for blacks, ever? Umm, perhaps you've heard of a little thing called the Civil Rights Act? Or how about the Voting Rights Act? Perhaps Brown vs Board of Education rings a bell? (8 of the 9 justices that unanimously decided Brown were appointed by FDR or Truman.) Or Truman desegregating the military?

On the subject of Reconstruction, the Radical Republicans who controlled Congress in the aftermath of the Civil War were only interested in punishing the South as severely as possible for the war and for slavery. That was both unjust and unwise - collective punishment almost always winds up backfiring. It's one of the great tragedies of US history that with the death of Lincoln and Grant turning out to be pretty incompetent as President, there was basically no one left to push for a just peace that none the less demanded real reforms from the South.

 

So when anything bad happens, it's obviously the fault of those inferior brown people? No, that's not racist at all.

The thugs assaulting the protesters are the traitors. They've no right to call themselves Americans.

 

So, in your 'World' Illegals are Americans?

 

The Rubio statistic does not surprise me. Rubio is not doing well among Latinos because of policy decisions. Latino Decisions poll of Latinos in the GE show Hillary crushing all GOP contenders who were listed in the poll.