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NY Penal Law 175.10.

 

Did you read it? Because it doesn't say that. In fact, there's two additional variables that must also be true for it to apply.

To quote an intelligent post: "Oh.....ummmm......roight..........Ima convinced!"

 

Of course I read it.

 

Which is why you know it is a crime and why @CornPop doesn't.

 

Try reading it again slower.

 

Simply falsifying a business record is not.

 

Please follow your own advice.

 

Yes, it is a crime under NY law. I look forward to your pivots when you realize you are wrong about this.

 

LOL. It amazes me that people struggle so mightily with this basic legal principle. It explains a lot.

 

When you are done speaking into the mirror, feel free to join the thread.

 

I already disproved the statute presented a couple posts above. Feel free to read it, then re-read the statute. You can admit you were wrong whenever you're ready.

 

Your claim was that falsifying business records is not a crime in NY. That is false. Surely you've done enough homework to understand that now. Hint: try looking up both first degree and second degree. Here comes that excuse I predicted.

 

No, my claim was that simply falsifying the record is not a crime. It isn't. Let's be honest. You can admit you were wrong whenever you want.

 

Falsifying a business record is a crime in NY. Please read. It isn't necessarily a felony (in the first degree) but it is at least a misdemeanor (in the second degree). Let's be honest. You can admit you were wrong whenever you want.

 

No it is not. Read the misdemeanor statute. And the felony statute has two additional elements that must be true. I've explained this to you already.

 

I have. Take your own advice.

 

Yikes. Sad!

This is very, very basic. If this concept is being lost it says a lot.

 

It is not a crime...it is a misdemeanor, read NY Penal Law 175.

 

Literacy doesn't normally make me sad, but you do you.

 

Quoting this for posterity.

 

A misdemeanor is still a crime, though.

 

Are misdemeanors not crimes?

 

I spelled this out in the post that started this conversation and I've explained it here as well. Let me help you two out before this gets even crazier and you guys start saying felonies aren't crimes.

The misdemeanor statute has a secondary element that must be proven for it to be a crime. It must be made to commit fraud or during an attempt to commit fraud.

The felony statute requires that additional element of the misdemeanor statute as well as that secondary fraud element being done with the intent to commit, aid, or conceal another crime.

Simply falsifying a record is not a crime on its own.

 

Incorrect. The falsifications needs to be accompanied with an intent to defraud.

 

You can't commit fraud without intent. It's redundant. But, I'm glad you're finally catching up.

Edit: typo, meant to type intent and not "attempt"

Touche sir!