Trump insinuates using rifles to fire on Liz Cheney

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Definitely not, Trump caused the Afghanistan gov to bail by negotiating strictly with the taliban on Doha.

    The military advised Biden to keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan. However, without the support of the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF), which included the Afghan National Army (ANA), Afghan National Police (ANP), Afghan Air Force (AAF), and Afghan Special Security Forces (ASSF), the remaining U.S. troops would have been highly vulnerable. The Taliban's
    strength, estimated at around 60,000 fighters with additional militia supporters potentially bringing the total to over 200,000, posed a significant threat. Given these circumstances, Biden decided not to follow the advice to leave 2,500 troops, as they would have
    been at great risk without adequate support.

    But, if you had done your homework, you'd know this.

    The bottom line is that there was considerable room for improvement on how it was handled by both administrations, before, during and after the withdrawal. But, again, hindsight is 2020. It is easy to monday morning quarterback this thing. Trump could have done a lot to have prevented the disaster, mainly but insisting on Afghan government being part of the deal, but to do that would complicate the process, and Trump is always in a hurry, hates complexity, and since he wasn't going to be the guy who had to deal with the actual withdrawal, he didn't give a damn, that if Biden got his butt kicked, better for Trump, eh? Biden could have moved slower, but he was responding to the tremendous pressure from Americans to get the hell out of there, Americans were tired of the war in Afghanistan, there simply was no will to 'go slow'. But, of course, being honest about this thing is impossible for Republicans, because they sure as hell don't want to ruin their anti-Biden pro right wing narrative, eh?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Taliban_deal
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She, and other critics, might want to consider leaving the country if Trump wins.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please try to learn how to use the quote function so you don't attribute to me nonsense I didn't say.

    It's not that difficult, you know!
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Nope however I hear the idiocy of lady word salad every time she opens her mouth.
     
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    Why don't Democrats talk about Trump's screwup in Afghanistan? He reduced our force levels to under 3,000 total personnel, too few to cover a withdrawal.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Why do you insist on believing an obvious lie?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do know the military would never carry out an operation like that one unless they were ordered to do so.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If they the withdrawal was at a secure base like the one they evacuated in the middle of the night, they could very easily cover a withdrawal.
     
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    Nonsense most of the ground fighting was being done by Afghan nationals supported by US air units. What made it untenable was the removal of US air units from Bagram,
     
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    Yes she has, she has aided and assisted in making thinks worse.
     
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    I believe what I hear Trump say. You are free to believe what people 'explain' what he really meant.
     
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    I read exactly what Trump said it contains nothing about a firing squad. He, in so many words called her a chicken hawk. Further note the person in front of a firing squad isn't ever armed and they are usually blind folded so nothing about what he said even remotely resembles a firing squad.
     
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    I didn't say anything about any squad.

    I said I believe what he said.

    And now he is making similar comments about being ok if someone took shots at the media
     
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    Trump was set to walk a month after the start of a second term. There's no reason to believe Afghanistan would be any different today after we abandoned them.
     
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    Correct! If Trump were a regular politician, this would be the "stupid statement" of their whole campaign. And it would probably cost them many votes. But Trump keeps doing this over and over. And he either MEANS to send veiled instructions to the core NUTS who follow him, or he's very very stupid.

    This weekend he said the same about reporters. So the "he's stupid" hypothesis is losing steam and the "he means it" interpretation is earning more traction.
     
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    He made a joke pointing out that if someone was going to shoot him the bullet would have to pass through the press gaggle first. And he wasn't entirely sure that would upset him. Given that some of them have referred "someone needs to shoot him" I can see his point.
     
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    And you support Old Bone Spurs who could be called snd Old Chicken Hawk.
     
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    You're excusing Trump's irresponsible rhetoric.
     
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    You are missing the fact that Trump was insisting that there had to be power sharing which the Taliban were never going to agree with him prior to the US withdrawal.
     
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    No more irresponsible than various leftist talking heads.
     
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    Would you have risked our people and Afghans we promised protection, just to take down our forces to under 3,000?
     
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    There's no reason to believe Trump would have stayed.
     
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    You're, once again, distorting Trump's common sense rhetoric.
     
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    We were down to that level when Biden ordered the withdrawal. You make decisions on the way things are, rather than how we would like it to be.
     
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    Trump stands by himself as a primo jackass. His crude behavior damaged us on the world stage.
     

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