Trump insinuates using rifles to fire on Liz Cheney

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  1. Shutcie

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    Oops. Sorry. It appears Trump will "have that chance". Now lets see if he takes it.
     
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    The reality is millions more Americans voted for him than your gal.
     
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    First, 30 of the lawsuits were dismissed by the judge after a hearing on their merits. This means the evidence was looked at & analyzed, but found to be without merit. Most of the other cases were based on legal standing, jurisdiction, legal misreading or a combination. Either way, Trump's attorneys had at least 30 chances in court to present their best evidence - but provided nothing substantive.

    Second, instead of alleging “widespread fraud or election-changing conspiracy” , the lawsuits focused on smaller complaints, which were largely dismissed by judges due to a lack of evidence. The plaintiffs failed to present evidence to support their assertions - only speculation, rumors or hearsay.

    Third, only one ruling was initially in Trump's favor: the timing within which first-time Pennsylvania voters must provide proper identification if they wanted to "cure" their ballots. But this ruling affected very few votes, and was later overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.


    Outside of the courts:

    (A) Trump's campaign commissioned an investigative report, plus sought two firms to investigate widespread election fraud. All three concluded there was no evidence for such.

    Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud
    https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d

    Second Trump-hired firm found 2020 fraud claims were ‘all false’
    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...-firm-found-2020-fraud-claims-were-all-false/

    Trump Campaign Reportedly Commissioned Study Showing No Widespread Election Fraud—But Continued To Push Claims Anyway
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...on-fraud-but-continued-to-push-claims-anyway/

    (B) Bill Barr said his Justice Dept found no evidence of widespread voter fraud. And we can believe it coming from him, because, after all, he covered up Trump's Russia collusion & obstruction of justice. Note that Barr was already known for covering up presidential crimes (eg, Reagan & Bush), and was given the nickname "Cover-up General Barr".

    (C) Independent experts, governors and state election officials from both parties say there was no evidence of widespread fraud.

    (D) Associated Press reporters went looking for cases of voter fraud in six states that Trump had challenged, and they found fewer than 475 potential instances out of more than 25 million votes cast, a number that would not have come close to changing the outcome.

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    * It appears that Republicans are the greatest perpetrators concerning 'widespread voter fraud'.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-voter-fraud-thread.622618/page-2#post-1075073668

    * From the People Who Brought You Project 2025: Manufactured Evidence of Voter Fraud
    While the Heritage Foundation has previously spread disinformation about purported noncitizen voting, the organization has now turned to desperate measures in search of nonexistent voter fraud.
    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...roject-2025-manufactured-evidence-voter-fraud

    Abysmal failure? Hardly.

    Here's a laundry list of what Biden has done - and all this despite inheriting Trump's disastrous mess.
    https://whatbidenhasdone.wordpress.com/

    Trump is inheriting a robust, strong economy that's the envy of all the world's economies.

    The envy of the world
    The American economy has left other rich countries in the dust.
    https://www.economist.com/special-report/2024-10-19
     
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    @JCS

    "60 was not even tried an no evidence submitted because of lack of standing"
     
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    Read what I listed.

    Anyway, MAGA needs to give up on this fantasy. Just too many independent & Republican sources that concluded there is no merit to the ridiculous claim.
     
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    So you want to see criminals pardoned? I figured so. Who else but Trump - a criminal - and his supporters would want to pardon other criminals. And this after Trump & the GOP kept whining (falsely) about the "skyrocketing crime" rate.


    Speaking of the election results, there seems to be something amiss. Several nagging questions keep puzzling me about this election cycle.

    * The results seemed to have come in too quickly (overnight), when it was predicted to take several days or even a week or longer.

    * Before the election, Trump said on Fox News, "My instruction...I don't need the votes. I have so many votes."
    And, "I don't need the votes. We got all the votes we need." And, "You don't have to vote. Don't worry about voting. We've got plenty of votes." This message was repeated at different rallies.

    * Before the election, Trump said "...get out and vote, just this time. You won't have to do it anymore... In four years you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote."

    * What was the 'secret' that Trump and Speaker Mike Johnson had that would guarantee his win?

    * How did Trump win every swing state when Biden won every one except for NC, and the polls showed Harris to either be ahead or tied among these states? Note also a large, 55,000 sample poll that showed Harris ahead nationally.

    * How did the GOP win both Houses - or likely to win, since we're still waiting for CA votes to come in?

    * How did Trump have more national votes than Harris? This seems impossible considering the level of popularity evident from Trump's rallies vs those of Harris', evidence/trends suggesting that many red counties & states would turn blue, loss of voters from Puerto Ricans & other minorities, Republican officials & voters turning their back on Trump, as well as the fact that Harris is more popular than Biden was.

    * There is warranted suspicion of potential election manipulation by Russia (with Putin's support for Trump) and Elon Musk (with his access to high-tech & AI & staunch support of Trump). This should be investigated because Musk & Mike Johnson are as shady as Putin.


    I'm not a believer of widespread election fraud by voters, but there's always the possibility of outside & internal meddling. The election results just don't jive with the pre-election data & atmosphere. If ever an election was rigged, this one certainly was. I hope there's at least an investigation into this.
     
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    Those links you provided are from biased sources....Yes the AP and The Hill are left biased. That being said, the stories only refer to hearsay or to other sources that refer to hearsay. Of course the American economy is the envy of the world....Despite 4 dismal Biden/Harris years. The economy of the working folks is not very good. Fuel prices are high, groceries are high, inflation is high and interest rates are high. These stuff-nose elite lefties who look down upon these people don't suffer, they have theirs and probably never have to worry. Trump wants everybody to benefit, not just the liberal elite who want to force their expensive, idiotic green agenda down everyone's throats.

    Trump left Biden a robust economy which he summarily killed by rescinding Trump's policies. Just because he didn't like the man.
     
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    Oh.
    You missed my sarcasm.
    Someone needs to list all of the predictions made if Trump actually won so we can see how many actually become "told ya so".
     
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    It was a civil case case against the Trump et al. There was a history of fraud in their search for financing.
    I don't buy their case against Trump unless they have a history of going after real estate crooks. Do they? Not that I see.
     
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    'They' who are going after Trump, are themselves, crooks.
     
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    A "history of fraud"?
    Do tell.
    In fact not a single transaction, a single lender, was presented as a victim of trump "fraud" in that trial.

    So. Your statement is wrong.
     
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    The have exactly 0 on Trump except for a bunch of made up false charges. The Democrats' whole campaign was based on 'Orange Man Bad!!!!" a made up boogey man with no connection to reality.
     
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    Excellent questions. I doubt we will get the answers any time soon. In fact it might be "discouraged" to ask such questions as the new Trump era unfolds. Things will be quite different.

    When most of the planet is shcocked with the results......something might well be amiss. And how can ALL the pollsters be so wrong??

    musings.....
     
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    Precisely.
     
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    Yet, no one is challenging the results because it was a LANDSLIDE in Trump's favor. Go away and take 2020 to 2024 with you.
     
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    Not yet anyway.
     
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    You might read the case.

    "Further, defendants' assertion that the discrepancies between their valuations and the OAG's are immaterial is nonsense. What OAG has established, in many cases by clear, indisputable documentary evidence (as discussed infra), is not a matter of rounding errors or reasonable experts disagreeing. OAG has submitted conclusive evidence that between 2014 and 2021, defendants overvalued the assets reported in the SFCs between 17.27-38.51%; this amounts to a discrepancy of between $812 million and $2.2 billion dollars. NYSCEF Doc. No. 766 at 70.

    Even in the world of high finance, this Court cannot endorse a proposition that finds a misstatement of at least $812 million dollars to be "immaterial." Defendants have failed to identify any authority for the notion that discrepancies of the magnitude demonstrated here could be considered immaterial."

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23991876/trump-ny-fraud-ruling.pdf
    You'll have to win on appeal.
    A flat lie.
    The word for your claim is "propagsnda."
    You'll have to win on appeal.
     
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    So you say. How about some proof?
     
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    Well stated. Good post. Don't think they would bother reading about Biden's achievements as in their collective minds Biden has done nothing of value. They seem to be so far into the Trump mentality now........not sure there can be any reversal. He sold them some fantasies and they bought into them. One can theorize that social media....... (and it's toxic environment) has contributed to sell Trump to his following. There is no more "right" as it has been replaced by Trump. .....who is a moronic disorganized shallow , (superficial) "thinker and is interested only in himself , accumulating power and money. (and manipulating the political scene so he can escape any legal issues .
    This current Trump phenomena has changed the country into an unknown quantity. The norms have been rejected ..to be replaced by Trumpian ideology or eliminated .
    Gotta wonder how many of his promises will be completed .........or will it be like his "beautiful wall? Wonder how many more international relationships will be damaged ?? Creating world uncertainty / instability...... and a void for one of his dictator pals to fill that void.
     
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    Who was harmed in the loan transaction?
     
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    Hang in there. It's not over yet. Public officials are already warning Trump that they will resist any of his gestapo/martial law ideas, and many in the public sector are announcing they're part of the resistance. If Trump manages to get into office, he'll have a lot of resistance because people know what to expect from him & what he's all about.

    In the meantime, I'm hoping the election will be redone and/or something nefarious is exposed after an investigation. The election just seemed 'off' and 'staged'. And, I simply don't see Trump serving out a second term. Something big is going to happen I feel.
     
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    Fraud has a civil liability component. This case was about the alleged rampant fraud in the Trump Organization that required them to impose a half a billion dollar penalty and shut down his businesses.

    I followed the case closely. I'm not the one who didn't know this was about civil fraud liability. Perhaps "you might read the case."
     
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    Instances of Trump fraud were identified. His Trump University was a sewer of misrepresentation.

    The statute is designed to stop fraud undermining confidence in U.S. capital markets.
     
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