Trump is correct about muslim immigration

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by logical1, Dec 8, 2015.

  1. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

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    I don't see a whole lot of Conservatives on this forum standing up to say Trump for calling for violating the religious freedoms of Muslims.
     
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    cenydd Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, the good ole politics of 'everyone knows'.

    No need for facts, evidence, logic, reality, etc., etc.,

    Because 'everyone knows'.

    This is the problem - not everything that 'everyone knows' is actually at all true. Muslims are not trying to overthrow the USA. A small group of unhinged radical lunatics (you know, like kind of Westboro-meets-KKK kind of folks, but more unhinged and more violent, only claiming to be 'Muslim') are trying to start a war, and the overwhelming majority of Muslims wish they would just stop it, and hates every violent act that group commits supposedly 'in their name', and is heartily sick of having to condemn them all the time even though their acts are nothing whatsoever to do with them,......but none of that matters because 'everyone knows'.
     
  3. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There has been an average of 10,000 people killed EVERY YEAR in America by firearms, including non-foreign terrorist attacks
    Even if you include the ONE day of 9/11, there were far fewer people killed on 9/11 by foreign terrorists, than by firearms and homegrown terrorism in that year.
    Since that year, foreign terrorism death in the US have been lower than 20 a year. . . compared with 10,000 + per year killed by firearms and homegrown terrorism.

    Please follow the link below for more information and a very interesting, CLEAR graph.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/9437187/obama-guns-terrorism-deaths
     
  4. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you deflecting? You stated that white conservatives (you generalized the entire group. You did not say "one or two white conservatives out of the millions in the nation.) want to put liberals and muslims in camps.

    Please cite for me these sources so I can verify your claims.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    LOL! So is it your position that all gun deaths are murders, and that all of the murderers were "Christian terrorists"?

    Or are you just a clandestine tea party plant trying to make Christians look good? Tell the truth. ;-)
     
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    cenydd Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ....and considerably less than Donald Trump, and his desire to overthrow the Constitution and the freedoms enshrined within it in the name of 'security'.

    The chances of Americans being caught up in a terrorist attack are virtually zero. The chances of Americans having to live in an essentially fascist country are considerably higher at this point.
     
  7. Questerr

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    I was speaking for entire group? Can you quote where I specified that?
     
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    Americans have had to live with a Marxist wannabe dictator for the last 8 years, who disregarded laws he didn't like and wrote new ones with his "phone and pen". Nobody on the left complained. In fact, they cheered him along, the entire way.

    Just goes to show how having a "one size fits all" Federal Government is a bad idea. That's why federalism was started, and ultimately destroyed, by the same kinds of people who would support Obama's power grabbing.
     
  9. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, dear. . .I do not believe that every gun deaths are murders! You are obviously seriously underestimating my research abilities!
    But, to please you, here is a break down of gun death by cause:

    And, it seems that you do not do much research yourself, if you think you can deny that "Christian extremism" is a significant element in mass shootings and homicides in the US, and that the number of people who died at the hand of THOSE terrorists exceed the number of people who died AFTER 9/11 from foreign terrorism.

     
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    It was the Christian right of the 1700s that gave us the Constitutional freedoms we have today. And it is only because of the Christian right today that we aren't already swallowed up by the tyrannical fascism of the left, that people like you are all to anxious to impose upon us.

    I find it very puzzling that the liberal left is so apologetic of the atrocities of radical Islam, but I guess the tyrants of the world all tend to think alike.
     
  11. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is so funny!

    How dare you speak about "Fascist Left" when your top GOP presidential candidate is mimicking Hitler, in his words, his ideology, even in his gestures. . .and the extreme Right brainwashed sheep, thirsty for blood, is applauding his excess and call to treat people DIFFERENTLY and DISCRIMINATELY BASED ON RELIGION!
     
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    How odd! Your reply does address anything from my post.

    "Math is hard!" - right? ;-)
     
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    The Left has ultimately always embraced nihilism and systematic mass murder. It is their reason for being.
     
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    You literally said "white conservatives". That's an entire group. You did not say "X" (being a specific person) said they wanted liberals and muslims in camps. You said "white conservatives". That, by definition, is the entire group as you did not specify otherwise. That would be like someone saying "black liberals want to kill police officers". Both are bigoted assumptions.
     
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    Verbatim: Dick Cheney Criticizes Donald Trump’s Muslim Policy

     
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    For most of the history of the American Republic, they did have that kind of power, and didn't use it.
     
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    What about all the homegrown terrorists slaughtering in the name of Christ?. . .they are the same as ISIS!. . .but we try to treat them differently because they are usually White and Christians!

    Did you hear about the latest FAILED homegrown terrorist?

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/12/08/terrorist-plot-white-supremacist-blows-leg-off-making-bombs/

    - - - Updated - - -

    First time EVER I agree with anything Cheney says!

    And not only that, Lindsay Graham also sounded smarter today for some reason!

    And this:

     
  18. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But back to the thread. Trump has the truth and the law on his side. See post #1.
     
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    It's called the "Vetting System", where desirables are not given permission to enter or be qualified for any of the current 50+ Visa Programs. What you are suggesting is an army of anti Americans, should be permitted entry and we have no Constitutional means to prevent it. Nonsense!!!!!

    Trump is saying "Fix that vetting system" then we can do whatever is best....
     
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    Cheney like other unthinking Republicans are conflating religious freedom with immigration "entry" requirements. Immigration is not a "religious freedom", and immigration has always been at the discretion of the country being immigrated to.

    In the US, immigration is a "preference" based system, with a cap of 675,000 per year. Preferences are based upon "diversity", skill sets, family status, etc. So suffice it to say, in Trump's mind and the minds of many others, Muslims are not preferred "entrants" at this time. It is just common sense, and totally within the bounds of US immigration entry policy.
     
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    Tell that to the gays who got locked up in jails or mental institutions. Tell that to the Native Americans who had their children taken away against their will to be educated with no ties to their culture or religion. Tell that to the women suffrages systematically oppressed.
     
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    That's true, but the policy has been based on certain policies for a long time and to change them in the way Trump suggests sends a message to the forces we are trying to use to defeat ISIS, i.e. Muslims, that we aren't really on their side. Muslims are the ones being mostly killed by ISIS and the ones who are doing most of the fighting against ISIS.
     
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    You said Muslims and liberals would be put in camps.
     
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    I'm thinking that's true for me too.
     
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    This isn't going to be one of those policies conservatives are all gung ho for push through on a bunch of scared uninformed moderates, and then act like they never supported in the first place the next time a Democrat gets elected, and uses it as precedence to do things they don't like is it?
     

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