Trump: Jan. 6 Panel An Unselect Committee Of Political Thugs

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    Evidently, Trump didn't order in the DC federal national guard on or before January 6.

    Side note: Why were there FBI operatives in the Jan. 6 crowd but not beefed up crowd control?
     
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    Right so Trump had the ability to stop Russia from invading Ukraine was is rendered totally incapable of reaching out to get troops at the Capitol? Is this want you want people to believe?
     
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    This is a very broken record or the boy who cried wolf way too many times. Trump does this when anything and everything does not go his way. He blames everybody else for his own actions, and now, including his daughter Ivanka for being "checked out" on January 6th.

    He and his supporters have lost this battle in court on several occasions. The resolution was passed by the house and senate. The problem is the GOP as a whole did not want to participate in said committee because it would become apparant that the committee will look into the affairs of certain members of the GOP, and that is a political no-no. As such, the GOP wants to minimize, ignore, distract, and all the other political hubris so that the truth will not get out on how some of their members were very culpable in having a coup d'tah so that the GOP will always have power like the CCP.
     
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    The January 6th committee never asked Pelosi or the Seargeant at Arms for their communications.

    But I do know that Rep McCarthy refused when the January 6th committee asked for his phone records and that the January 6th committee asked the telecommunications to maintain the phone records for members of Congress.
     
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    Only when national guard troops are nationalized. Other than that, they are under the direct control of state governments.
     
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    The DC National Guard, the guard under question concerning Jan. 6, is under the control of the president.

    The capitol police are under the control of the speaker of the house (Pelosi).
    For example, why did Pelosi give orders to kill Ashley Babbitt?
     
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    There were no FBI operatives in the "stop the steal" crowd. That conspiracy theory has been debunked time and time again.

    If you think that Ray Epps was an FBI operative, no he was not, at that time.
     
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    How long after Jan. 6 did Epps become affiliated with the FBI?
     
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    The speaker of the house has absolutely no authority over the DC National Guard. Why do rightists keep falling for Trump's lies?
     
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    Until they are federalized into service yes. Otherwise, they are under the control of the governor of the state. The state does not have the authority to refuse federalized service for their guards, but the federal government does hold a dual administrative command with the governor on the training, equipment, supplies, etc for the national guard.

    From the link below, "The National Guard is part of the U.S. military but is unusual because it is controlled by both state and federal leaders.

    Most of the time, state National Guards are commanded by governors. However, presidents have the authority to call them into service to respond to hurricanes, bolster border security, and assist in overseas military operations."

    What is highlighted in bold disproves your claim on all fronts. If any president does not call them into service, then they are under the control of the state.

    https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/who-controls-the-national-guard/
     
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    What happens if the state governor refuses the request of the prez?
     
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    It's how you define "operative." Conspiracy theoriests like you want to make the word "operative" very broad when in reality, it is a very narrow definition. He was detained and interviewed on a few occasions, which is where the "operative" is coming from. He has even testified that he was never an FBI informant or operative at all.
     
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    Why wasn't he detained, er, jailed w/o trial like so many of the other alleged Jan. 6 conspirators? I mean, there's video evidence of Epps inciting a riot at the capitol.
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...64D65EA147F17BF0FC3664D&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
     
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    Washington D.C. is not a state. It is controlled by the federal government.
     
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    LMAO!!!! Probably an Epoch Time arm...
     
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    Funding yes, and technically, it's a territory, like Puerto Rico or US Virgin Islands. Some 700 members of the Washington DC national guard were activated on January 6th to assist law enforcement, mostly with traffic duties, etc. None of them were at the capital at all until after the riots dissapated. Furthermore, the entire Washington DC Army Guard Command is some 1300 troops ranging from military police to army band to support and medical units. The Air National Guard has about a 1000 or so troops with one fighter squadron and one support, an airlift squadron, with some maintenance units. None were enough for the 10000 plus national guard troops that allegedly Trump requested. That would have to have come from Maryland, Deleware, Virginia, etc along with Washington DC.
     
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    They love any source that caters to their libito.
     
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    So when Pelosi sends a letter to Trump griping about being concerned about increased militarization and lack of clarity on Trump's previous use of guard on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.. and now Pelosi declines the guard beforehand, but sure enough not after January 6... it is all Trump's fault, how funny...

    https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/6420-0

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    The bigotry of some in the msm and big tech social media against OAN as a legitimate news source is well known to conservatives
     
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    Just before and after but not on that particular day for implausible deniability
     
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    I wonder why the FBI, for example, knew about possible nefarious activities occurring at the capitol on Jan. 6 but the capitol police didn't.:roll:
     
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    I imagine, scenarios like hurricanes can have a president requesting the state national guard to provide protection but it's up to the state governor to grant national guard service.

    I also imagine, there could be potential political fallout if the state governor where the hurricane occurred, for example, didn't authorize the national guard after the federal suggested national guard intervention.

    If you remember, Trump was denied by state authorities in Oregon and Washington when Trump suggested federal assistance protection in Portland and Seattle, for examples, during the BLM/Floyd/ANTIFA riots.:roll:
     
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    And in DC the mayor has the same powers over the DC guard. Trump would have had to nationalize them to provide them over the objections of the mayor for the city and the Speaker for the Capitol
     
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