Trump: "Jesus Christ" Savior of America

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  1. Canell

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    Thought it might be interesting for some people. ;)

     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Speech is from 3:25 to 14:00 - 10:35 minutes.
     
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    Canell Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, yangforward, for clarifying that.
    I don't know why the author of the video butchered it like that.
     
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    "Trump: "Jesus Christ" Savior of America"

    and the right claim they do not worship the Golden Cow
     
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    It is "interesting" I suppose to see Trump claiming we will be saved by an invisible supernatural being. For some reason I had a flashback to the movie Elmer Gantry.

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    I doubt Trump has been to church more than a few times since compulsory chapel at the military boarding school he attended.


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    Because it's not about the religion, it's about the power.
     
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    Remind me again: which if his three wives did he not cheat on?
     
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    He was a president, not a saint. ;)
    Also, Jesus said, it is enough for one to look at someone with desire, to commit adultery, so God knows how many adulterers and adulteresses are out there. :lol:
     
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    Trump took that to the extreme. It's difficult to find a more active adulterer than him, especially if we use the standard of "looking at someone with desire" . . . since he's done that with his own daughter. And he can't even say that he asks God for forgiveness. He's definitely not a saint, but he sure as **** isn't a Christian either.
     
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    I have always viewed the religious right with interest and a degree of sympathy. The religious right never wanted to create a theocracy in the United States. At most the religious right wanted to restore the moral ethos of the 1950's. I was a child during the 1950's. It was a nice time to be a child. Rates of crime, divorce, and illegitimacy were low. Most Americans were affiliated with a church or a synagogue.

    During the 1950's these values emerged spontaneously from the effects of the Great Depression, the Second World War, and the Cold War. They were not enforced by the government, and they could not be enforced by the government.In a country like the United States thee is little the government can do to influence religious and sexual behavior.

    This is where Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority went wrong during the 1980's, and where the religious right has erred ever since. By the 1980's the Moral Majority no longer represented the morals of the majority of Americans. Since the 1980's American society has continued to become more secular and hedonistic.

    The fact that what remains of the religious right has chosen a dishonest, foul mouthed, adulterous pagan like Trump to be its tribune illustrates how desperate it has become.

    Ironically, and I would add tragically, the support Christian conservatives have given Trump has alienated many young people from Christianity entirely.
     
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    i do believe that Trump is somehow a modern Cyrus.... whose role is predicted in Isaiah chapters forty two to forty six... but forty five is the easiest to understand chapter.....

    Trump is also like King Jehu.... Rabbi Jonathan Cahn does a great job of describing that.... just do a search for "Rabbi Jonathan Cahn The Paradigm" on youtube and you can hear it.....
     
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    Trump is not Christian, he only panders to them.





     
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    Jesus Christ would not boast of having sex with his daughter.



    Would Jesus ADVOCATE HATRED or GREED?

    Trump: "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT!" (simply because she endorsed Harris)

    Trump to Tim Scott: "She actually appointed you, Tim? You are senator from her state, and Nikki Haley endorsed ME. You must REALLY HATE HER."

    The sin of PRIDE is often considered the first and most serious of the seven deadly sins because it is seen as the root of all other sins. In Christian theology, pride is viewed as an excessive love of self and an inflated sense of one’s own importance, leading a person to prioritize their own desires over God's will. This self-centeredness can give rise to all other sinful behaviors.
     
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    Many Christian conservatives think the most famous adulterer in the world will cause a religious revival and fill the pews. What is happening instead is that Trump is giving Christianity a bad reputation and dissuading many young people from becoming Christians.
     
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    I've seen the US from the outside, and heard others' comments about the US,
    and they don't see the US the same way as we do, because our idea of good
    and bad is based on a puritan way of thinking, and that is very different from
    the way the Muslims I knew and even most of the English people I knew think.
     
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    Trump is not a puritan. G W Bush is a puritan and a walking disaster area.
    He is a Methodist, a committed Christian, by US standards, but a lot of people
    outside the US have some choice words for him, and he really did not go
    down well even in England, even though the US media said he did, and
    he just went from one disaster to another. I don't know how we are going
    to pay for his wars either.

    He also isn't popular with the almost a million Iraqis and Afghans who died
    for no reason in his conflicts.

    James 2:11 KJV: For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
    Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
     
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    Many Evangelical Puritans are just modern day pharisees.

    They follow the details of the Bible and then ignore all the
    big bits that matter.
     
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    Come on man, you're exaggerating once again. Where did Trump say that? Certainly not in that video clip.
    You know the richness and the ambiguous nature of the English language. One can only speculate what Trump meant exactly.
    I for one think he was joking about sex. You know, sex like in your ID - male, female.

    Face it, you are stuck with Trump the Antichrist for President. :lick: Otherwise who else can you blame when things come crashing down. What better scapegoat do you have, hey? :love:
     
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    I supported Jimmy Carter, he bucked the trend of the war starting
    Presidents by not starting a war. So he was a one-term President
    and Trump was unwilling to send the weapons needed to grow
    the war in Ukraine, so articles of impeachment were raised against
    him and he became a one termer too.

    The public adores a many President who bombs the heck out of
    some third world country, but are those same members of the
    public willing to pay for the wars??

    Jesus knew how to thank our heroic veterans:
    'he who lives by the sword will die by the sword'.

    Something dies inside people who go to war and kill.
     
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    Curious; Christians don’t cheat on spouses?
     
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    Sometimes. But they seek forgiveness after. That's kind of a big deal in Christianity. Trump has openly said he doesn't ask God for forgiveness, and he shows no remorse. He brags about not only that but also ****ing other married women. He thinks that there's such a thing "Two Corinthians," and when a friendly interviewer asks about his favorite Bible verse, he can't answer and throws a hissy fit about even being asked.
     
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    Adultery is a bad game to play, but what the otherwise more moral GWB did
    of killing so many people in wars, was worse, a whole lot worse.

    And I suspect it will harm the chances Christian missionaries might have
    through out predominately Muslim areas, and Buddhist areas considering
    how many we killed in Indochina, and well, pretty much everywhere.
     
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    Remind me, which commandment is involved.
     
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    For which part? The adultery part? Though shalt not commit adultery. Surprised you never heard of it. And if you are trying to be cute and ask me for the number, I suppose you didn't realize that different traditions enumerate the commandments differently.
     
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