Trump ordered to pay over $350M for business fraud

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Those statements are supposed to have some relationship to the truth.

    Trump can appeal.

    What about the two cases he lost concerning his sexual assault? Does that enhance his resume for US president?
     
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    Abuse of the justice system from again New York.
     
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    lol. What complete drivel. I'll recommend the Trump campaign list you as a maybe. I think your preconceived political alignment is preventing you from honestly accepting the blatant truth. lol.
     
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    He HAS been - in several states.

    The federal case against him is moving forward, but the roadblocks thrown up by Republicans and the SC are substantial.

    The evidence is MASSIVE and totally incontrovertible.
     
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    ??? It was NY law that he violated in the NY cases.
     
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    So, I should accept a traitor to America as a presidential candidate?

    And, ignore his sexual assault, etc., etc?

    What does he even STAND for???

    All he does is whine about America being a pile of garbage and how he would use his power to attack those who don't follow his will.
     
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    What states are those?
     
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    Border control, supply side economics, energy independence, Red China policy, tax reform, low inflation, economic growth, low minority unemployment, …
     
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    That case is a great example of Stalinesque “justice “. Show me the man and I will manufacture a crime. Letitia and Arthur took an obscure consumer protection law and manufactured a “crime” with no fraud, no victims, no damages.
     
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    What other parties did or did not do is irrelevant.

    What's at issue is what Trump did. And what he did was deliberately and systematically inflate property and business values far beyond any normal and expected degree of deviation using methods specifically designed to achieve this, leaving absolutely no room for doubt that they were inaccurate and deceptive by design.

    Then, he certified, personally, that the resulting figures were true and accurate.

    Again, whether anyone checked them or complained is irrelevant - and not an excuse for fraud.
     
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    There is no fraud. DB confirmed that there was no fraud.
     
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    Why are you hawking his book? His appearances on RW media isn’t enough?

    He hasn’t tried one case. He’s making terrible arguments that won’t be availing on appeal. That’s why he’s not pushing his way onto the Orange Blob’s appellate team.
     
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    Oh, ok. The court’s wrong, and you’re right. Even though you haven’t read the judgment or watched the trial.
     
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    I am a fan of Dershowitz because of his integrity.
     
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    The court is wrong. This is a politicization of the justice system. Letitia and Arthur should be disbarred.
     
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    Reports are certified to be accurate the date and time they are generated.

    They lied on these forms
    That’s fraud

    I have answered this 4 times for you — it is impossible for me to give a valuation without the data.

    That you keep asking this question like it has a simple answer shows their is a lack of comprehension on evaluating commercial property valuations.

    You cannot even admit that trump outright lied even though there was direct testimony that his entire team was instructed to change values to make the valuation trump desired.
     
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    So basically you don’t care that trump lied on financial statements and disclosures because it’s the banks duty to catch those lies?

    It’s insane what this man has done to previously good honest people.
     
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    That is not what I said. Basically I clearly understand as do the banks who lend him money that it is the responsibility of the lending banks to assess valuation, risk, and interest rates. That's how banks make money.
     
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    Reports have disclaimers. But that is redundant to banks who clearly understand that they have the fiduciary responsibility to assess valuation, risk, and interest rates. That's how banks make money.
     
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    Specious argument.

    under Stalin he is the prosecutor judge and jury, but in America these are separate. Even if the prosecutor were over zealous, he still has to convince judge and a jury. That would not be the case in russia. Not only that the prosecutor is not the person who indicted it's a grand jury. Also NY exec 6312 law is common , NOT "obscure".

    Find a real argument.
     
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    In the Deustchebank applications, Trump said he was worth 4 billion.The bank adjusted that down 2.5 billion automatically not as an actual assessment but just to play it safe, but James determined that he was only worth 1.6 billion a threshold at which he would not have qualified for the loan applied for..
     
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    Correct. And to do so they do rely on accurate numbers to make those valuations, especially when dealing with other very large corporations.

    Which trump lied on and directed his staff to lie on
     
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    That is a real argument.
     
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    Yes they have disclaimers but those disclaimers do not absolve one of fraud. Which trump committed and was found guilty of doing so.
     
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    The banks analyze and create their own numbers.
     

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