Trump, Sanders, and American Ignorance

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  1. MississippiMud

    MississippiMud Well-Known Member

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    Caught this article on MSN today and found it made some very good points.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-sanders-and-american-ignorance/ar-BBrW4iq

    Here are a couple excerpts
    While i am of a mind that we need to make major changes to our national election process it still comes down to the people being engaged and informed.
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Great article. I agree with the author's opinion that our educational system is failing, and the government is largely at fault. I also agree with her opinion that culturally, we've become accustomed to whining and placing blame everywhere but in the mirror.

    I've seen both sides complain about "democracy," as she states, and I like this paragraph, which both sides use in response to complaints:

    Surprise! There are rules involved. Rules governing the presidential election date back to our founding and the establishment of Electoral College. The Constitution also gives latitude to the states in how to structure their nominating process. Electing the president wasn’t necessarily meant to be easy. Nothing worth safeguarding usually is. The founders deliberately designed our constitutional republic that way to avoid the tyrannical pitfalls of past societies like ancient Greece or the monarchies of Europe.
     
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    MississippiMud Well-Known Member

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    We are sorely lacking in accountability in this country. We have become obsessed with the blame game. Not surprising i suppose since we see it played so much from the top down. The educational system is such a mess it is almost as if we are intentionally being setup for failure.

    Yes, that's another good quote from the article.
     
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    The truth of the matter is that the American people are functionally a group of morons, and the establishment rules them like domesticated farm animals. The illusion we have any degree of self-determination is just that, an illusion. The establishment will put whom ever they choose in office and the idiots at large will not have enough attention span to care a week later. In fact, they will think it was themselves who decided.....
     
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    Actually he dumped Cruz on his ass. Cruz was cleaning his clock by being sharper on the delegate rule book and running as an anti-establishment candidate. Trump started pounding him on this incredibly arcane rule book the Establishment had set up that Cruz was running like a spider on its web. This put Cruz into the position of defending the Establishment's rule book and Trump pinned him against it. While defending this arcane process, Cruz ended up looking like an idiot, and then Trump cleaned up New York and took the rest of the wind out of Cruz' sails.

    Very nicely played, Mr. Trump.
     
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    That's business...

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    This just in! Cruz/Kasich Tag Team...

    "Ted Cruz will cut campaigning in the Oregon and New Mexico primaries to help Mr Kasich, while the latter will give Mr Cruz a "clear path" in Indiana.

    Mr Trump said his rivals were "totally desperate" and "mathematically dead"."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36127175
     
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    louse people(small ones) cannot grow into america clime, neither in russia, though it was their gess, but maybe somewhere in europe, living in peace in the cycle life-death of theirs(SIM city)
     
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    A big reason why is due to most of us being to comfortable and distracted by all the pretty lights, bells and whistles. We still have to much to loose to want to force change. We have TV, the internet, smart phones and social media. We are distracted. We think we are informed. Many of us know more about what someone they call friend on the internet had for lunch than about the constitution and how government works.
    Wait, hold on i just saw a new item about a Kardashian .... gotta go.
     
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    im of the opinion that while the rules are there they have been purposely designed to lock out the common person from participating. Super delegates is a very good example of this as well as the rules of PA where only 17 delegates go to the winner and the rest can do whatever they want.

    I wrote about this here https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/04/16/legitimacy-and-legality-the-colorado-screwjob/

    there are two issues at play here. Legitimacy and legality.

    The parties can do anything they want. They can cancel all the primaries here on out and award the candidacy to cruz and clinton. After all as it has been abunduntly made clear it is thier party.

    The people however have to believe that it is legitimate or they will not feel represented.

    Sure the rules call for unbound delegates and super delegates that can ignore the will of the populace. The populace does not have to like that. More so if they understand these rules and what is being done to them.
     
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    I hear you and don't disagree. I also wonder if the "people" can handle the responsibility of being engaged and staying informed. Yes a more direct and simple process would help but would it just end up being an easy button for the masses to think they only have to occasionally glance up from their smart phone?

    I favor the end of political parties as a platform to present candidates as well as removing the $ from the campaign process. If people want to form groups to promote someone fine but the candidates themselves should stand on their own which i feel will force them to stand for "something." Force them to stand up and stand out without a platform base to hide behind. Trump stands out but is sorely lacking in substance. It's just as easy for him to say "i want to build a wall" as it is for me to say "i want to win the lottery"

    So do we put this squarely on the whim of the mob? Would this leave us even more vulnerable to the next slick sales pitch? It could. Im of a mind that i would prefer the mob to finish running this American experiment into the ditch as opposed to the politicians we have now. At least then we can truly claim we have the government we deserve.
     
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    Well remember 50% of all people are less intelligent then the average.
     

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