Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israeli capital

When I here about "crossing a red line" I wonder if Obama has been around in ME [drawing some of his notorious red lines] ...

International relations are a matter of confrontations of power. So that ... how will Arab countries show their power to the United States? Recognizing no more Washington as Capital of the US?

A bit of humor a part, the United States are a sovereign country and like Arab countries can avoid to recognize Israel, the US can recognize that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Any decision or act of a sovereign state can be criticized, but to oppose it means to attack the sovereignty of that state and usually US don't like to see their sovereignty under attack.

 

My point completly passed you by, it seems:

Palestinians are the new Jews.

 

It ended in 1999 - not nearly enough stupidity and self-delusion could keep it going.

Now what about international laws? They don't matter I suppose.

 

Should we start with giving a boot to Mueller? Many millions dollars will be saved...

 

Donald Trump has put Middle East peace efforts back to 1948. The man is a dangerous maniac.

 

Tell that to Donald Trump.

 

Looks like Trump has enough stupidity and self-delusion of his own to keep it going for a while, agreed.

 

jee, maybe you do a bit research on Jerusalem and the 6 days war, and UN on Jerusalem, then maybe you understand.

 

Presidents delayed the application ... [despite the incredible Jewish lobby at Washington ...].

Regarding "international laws", pay attention that they are valid only and when a country ratifies them and according to the laws of that country [actually a citizen doesn't respect an international treaty, but the national law of his country adopting that treaty].

There is no superior global authority endorsing international laws ... it's just a matter of shared interests and conceniences.

 

Anything concerning a Democrat.....means there is taint. Never forget that.



While the absence of any U.S. representation in Jerusalem for Israel is common knowledge, it is less well known that the United States does maintain a diplomatic facility in Jerusalem to represent Washington to another claimant: the Palestinian Authority. As the official website of the U.S. consulate general in Jerusalem states, since the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993, it “has served as the de facto representative of the United States government to the Palestinian Authority.”

The result is that Washington lacks any formal presence in the capital of its main democratic ally in the Middle East but does maintain a diplomatic presence in that ally’s capital for another political entity that claims territory within that city. It is incorrect, therefore, to say that U.S. policy has maintained steadfast neutrality on the question of Jerusalem so that it can protect is position as an “honest broker.” As odd as it sounds, actual U.S. policy does tilt toward one side — the Palestinians.....snip~

So what do you have to say about the US having a diplomatically facility in Jerasulem representing the PA? That's alright, huh?

The Palestinians don't govern over all of Jerasulem.....do they? So why were they being treated special like, again?

 

It seems to me that the US did put all of their money on the wrong horse. That bad horse cost them quite a lot in lives, money, and time, to end up a surrogate state. Was any goal achieved in terms of peace and stability in the ME ever since? Of course not. In fact it would be correct to say that the more the west tried to "pacify" the ME, the worse it ended up. Some people don't seem to understand that the colonial era was dead as soon as in the 1950s.

And isn't it an antisemite thing to say, that jews always have corrupted all governments, in all epochs?

 

Why are you so bent to discard yourself thusly? What, you think your jersey-based fanatism is some kind of virtue? How can I furthermore read your text after such a false start? There are no Republicans or Democrats in Israel, just gullible Yanks. You all look alike to an Israeli.

 

To lobby is not to corrupt ...

Back to ME, sometime I wonder if the disorder in that region is just the real geopolitical purpose of some US administrations [the last one with the support of the "Arab Springs" didn't help ...]. Europeans are out of games. EU hasn't got the geopolitical weight [and the military capability] to act for real in the long term.

So ... US play the role of the boss there and so far Russia and China haven't been competing.

 

Its clear you don't understand what the two different ideologies are about. How that affects all they do. Whether its taking care of ones own house. Or going outside to play with the Big Boys.

Just because you identify and feel more for the American Leftness, doesn't change up the reality with the differences between those two Ideologies. Although you should understand more about the American Leftness considering how you flavor them.

Did the questions about the US facility in Jerasulem, set up for the PA.......throw you for a loop? Cause any discombobulation? Doesn't the truth help your understanding about the situation?

 

... Except if it's done with money. Then not only it is corruption, but it's pretty much the very definition of it.

In any case, it's the geo-political purpose of Israel - and to a lesser measure, that of the Sauds too. I don't believe US party affiliations change anything - like I've wrote, the US control the gas pedal in the ME, but not the steering wheel.

Sharing a border with Israel is pretty much a death sentence in zionist politics.

 

Zionists and dual citizen corrupt both parties, generously and openly. There's not taking any chances. And US Jews are largely part of this "left" that obsesses you so much. You bring in interesting subjects but you are about the most uselessly partisan poster I ever crossed on this board - and it's no small "compliment".

 

Lobbying works in the same way since the beginning of politics. I'm an elected represenative. I have to keep my votes for next election. In my area there are firms which are in troubles. A politician hates to see his electors losing the job [not because he loves them, but because he knows that ... Lost Job = Lost Vote]. A member of a lobby contacts me, promising a certain financial support for some firms if I aid the approval or the modification of a certain law.

Then they will promise to support my next electoral campaign ...

That's lobbying.

 

Denial is also a river in Egypt

 

Then ... the politician has to make a choice.

It's a kind of balance of considerations. He has to put together his political orientation, the interests of his party, his own ideals [if he is idealist ...], what he had promised to the electors, the real purposes of the lobby ...

Not an easy decision, but it works so.

 

Obama tried to destroy Bibi by messing in his election

 

Partisanship doesn't have anything to do with the truth. Although your deflection and lack of understanding between the two different ideologies was noted. You don't need to admit that you can't handle partisans when it comes to Politics and Foreign Policy. I already figured that in due to your posts about Israel. Though one day, it will finally sink in and you will feel like you had an epiphany upon discovering all Politics is partisan unless it is Bi Partisan.

Yeah the Jewish left is part of that. Hence that reporting about BO the peep and the Demos meddling with Israel's Election.

What does that have to do with the US Diplomatic Facility in Jerasulem that caters to the Palestinians?

 

Actually they do

 

Yep... if you are a Muslim dual citizenship is a possibility.

 

They corrupt every Gov they are in ? that's not nice to say...

Perhaps you should decide what your angle here is.

 

Maybe you should do a bit of prior researech on Jerusalem 1948 and the Jordinian occupation, y'know, back when it was supposed to be international.