Trump Vows to End Birthright Citizenship

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  1. Josephwalker

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    I believe indiians were part of the equation too but yeah it's about that and not illegal immigrants children
     
  2. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

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    How many of the 50 US states are blue states? You think 3/4 states ratification is the obstacle? Think harder.
     
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    If they did that, approximately how many tens of millions of US citizens would lose their citizenship overnight and become stateless?
     
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    I did read your post. Essentially you said that people could be deemed to be "not subject to the jurisdiction of the US" while still being entirely subject to all federal jurisdiction.
    Good luck with that. I would be really interested to see what would happen once a person was declared by a federal court to be "not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States of America".
    Let's be honest - whatever Trump said, it was just him shooting his mouth off without thinking. Saying something that he thought would resonate with the base, regardless of whether he has any intention to follow through (or understanding of the issues involved).
     
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    Hate to take away dreams with special note of mine of deporting the Trump family but here is the very settle law on the matter and doing anything about it no matter how many judges Trump get to appoint to the SC does not seem likely.

     
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    Just to be clear, how many tens of millions of US citizens would you like to see stripped of their citizenship and become illegal stateless persons overnight?
     
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    Umm, like every person alive today who was born in the US?
     
  8. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed. And you do know whom to thank for it, right?

    Of course you do.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I hope it happens.
     
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    ~24 states will be controlled by blue governors after 2018 and the equal pay amendment has been suspended pending ratification by about 3 states for nearly 100 years now...

    So yea, 3/4 will be a really, really hard step.
     
  11. Josephwalker

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    I don't think Trumps calling for retroactive enforcement
     
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    No, plenty of people in the US are born to legal immigrants.

    But there are tens of millions of Americans who have parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc who were illegal. How many of those millions would Conservatives like to see stripped of their citizenship?
     
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    Except that’s what having the Supreme Court ruling would do as oppose to a constitutional amendment being repealed.
     
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    I wouldn't be opposed to ending birthright citizenship for individuals whose parents are not US citizens, however you cannot amend the US constitution through an executive order... nor should you.

    Even if you do support ending birthright citizenship, you must understand the terrible precedent you set when you allow a president to unilaterally amend the constitution. You would basically be giving any future president the power to become a dictator through executive order
     
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    I kind of doubt that
     
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    If the 14th Amendment was repealed, there would be no constitutional right for ANYONE born in the US to obtain US citizenship. It would all have to be managed by legislation.
     
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    The Constitution does not gurantee birthright citizenship for illegal aliens or chinese tourists

    Thats a misconception among liberals
     
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    I see your point but in this instance the very survival of our country is at risk. The fourteenth is encouraging and enabling illegal immigration and a dynamic cultural shift.
     
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    If you are correct, Trump doesn't need to do anything at all.
     
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    Lyin' Don's passing gas aimed at "anchor babies" such as Marco Rubio is akin to his fake promise of a tax cut before election day, his repeated assurance that he'd come clean with his tax returns, and his vow to pass a healthcare plan that is "something terrific!" that "covers everybody!" at "less cost!"

    The 14th Amendment to the Constitution that guarantees citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States" is not about to be aborted.

    Trump's latest noxious emission is Chanel #5 for the olfactory sensibility of rabid nativists, but is destined to pollute the heavens like a Chinese hoax.
     
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    So, Trump wants to end Birthright Citizenship for those born to non-citizens.

    That includes those born to Permanent Residents and those here on Travel, Student and Work Visas.

    This would be a HUGE mistake and clearly violates the crystal clear language of the 14th Amendment:

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

    One could attempt to argue that this was not intended to include the children of ILLEGAL aliens, but one cannot honestly apply such an exemption to children of legal immigrants who have applied for citizenship.
     
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    Meaning that if democrats have the votes in congress they could deny citizenship to republicans?
     
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    No, it isn't. You have drunk the Kool-Aid and swallowed Trump's bait hook, line and sinker.
     
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    Did Trump say he wants retroactive enforcement?
     
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    LOL it would be funny seeing all the Trump supporters who would need to report for deportation due to the actions of others somewhere in their family tree.

    For myself, I would have no problem with being deported to England or Denmark where by DNA my ancestors came from.
     

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