Trump Vows to End Birthright Citizenship

And former slaves. Do not forget them. They deserved citizenship too.

 

It could be done, but democrats would demand unspeakable things in return. The price is too high.

 

That would be neat, but then you would need 3/4 of the states legislative branch to ratify.

 

Theyve had citizenship for over 100 years

 

My patents didn't break into this country illegally so I get to be a citizen and when they die I get the money in their Bank account unlike a bank robbers children who are not entitled to that money.

 

I would think the behind the scenes legal work being done to push an EO would have to center on how to center the President's action around the long running question of what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means.

In that regard, I would think the Supreme Court could rule, as that becomes a Constitutional question.

 

One could say something similar about the 2nd Amendment.
Would you be OK with a future president gutting 2A by EO? If he managed to appoint a few SC Judges who would go along with that?
Because that is pretty much what you are saying.

 

Public opinion can move mountains and politicians

 

So what do you think "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means?

 

It means within US jurisdiction. Which is what happens when you are on US soil unless you have diplomatic immunity.

 

Yup. That’s what the 14th amendment was about. And that’s what I was responding to.

 

Apples oranges comparison. Fourteenth was specifically designed for indians and ex slaves and has been corrupted for illegal immigration

 

Do you realise that repealing the 14th Amendment would mean that any children born in the country thereafter (including your own children and grandchildren etc - don't know how old you are) would NOT have a constitutional right to be citizens?

 

Apples and apples. 2A was specifically designed for well-regulated militias and has been corrupted for creating personal weapons caches.

 

Your citizenship isn't based on your parents. It is based on where you were born. And the analogy is silly and weak. You don't lose any of your rights when your parents commit a crime. Citizenship isn't stolen property, it is a birthright or gained through naturalization.

 

Not sure about that but it does open the door to a new amendment that states children of illegals are not entitled to the fourteenth rights. Trump has opened an interesting box here.

 

That's long been the lefts argument and it's never worked.

 

By all means, if he wants to do something through constitutional amendment. But he wants to change the constitution through executive order.

You seem to be OK with that.

 

Good luck with that. Presidential Elections can be won with a less votes than your opponent. Everything else not so much. This nation is divided and an over reach for your base isn’t going to bring folks together.

I have no issue with ending birth right citizenship in theory.

 

Only because of the fourteenth. That needs fixed

 

ending birthright citizenship for children born to mothers who are here illegally or who came to the USA with the sole purpose of having a citizen child that can then sponsor them, is not that much of a disaster.

 

one could make the argument that birthright citizenship was intended to be only for the children of citizens and those here legally.

just as the 2nd Amendment is not for those here illegally.

 

I broke down the $$$ per cost of legal residence (D)'s declined on DACA ... 2 million DREAMERS / family members > $10bn wall funding? That's $5K each. (D)'s coulda haggled for $5bn ... that's $2,500 ... (D)'s wouldn't balk at $2,500 abortions tho ... even for illegals.

 

This may be the art of the deal in action. Trump is bringing this to light and having it as an issue and his end result may be winning the next election and public pressure to repeal the fourteenth

 

My point is that the words speak for themselves. Although it is clear that 2A was originally intended for well-regulated militias, the words result in broader rights.
And the words of the 14th Amendment are broader than the "Indians and slaves" purpose that you say they should be restricted to.

So - be careful what you wish for. If you think that it would be good to effectively repeal or amend 14A through EO - think about the rest of the constitution.