Trump won’t change the GOP. We’ll change him: Sen Mitch McConnell

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  1. Lee Atwater

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    Had the eminently justified impeachments been successful, as they should have been, we would be rid of Trump as a threat to the nation and thus better off for it.
     
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    I have a news for you .. the clowns who thought they will climb up the capital and overthrow US election result, they are locked up. Some of them are locked up for 10 years, one of them locked up for 14 years.
     
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    “A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it.”
    ― G.K. Chesterton
     
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    We disagree. Use of the impeachment process as a political tool was a mistake against Clinton, a mistake against Trump, and is now a mistake against Mayorkas.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

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    Mitch having no compunction in going against the will of the people and their best interests to serve his purposes.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

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    Political tools, like elections, are sometimes called for to remove a malignancy on the body politic. There has never been a more justified case than in the attempt to remove Trump from office and holding future office.
     
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    A Senator owes the people his judgment.
     
  8. Jack Hays

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    Certainly his actions on 6 January bring the 14th amendment into play. I would not be unhappy if the SCOTUS were to rule against him.
    But you should understand that the two impeachment attempts had more than a little to do with creating the atmosphere in which 6 January was enabled.
     
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    The Soviet Union collapsed under it's own weight, just as the US will if Democrats and RINOS get their way.

    Reagan gave amnesty to several million illegal aliens....he trusted the Democrats to build a war and seal the border...big mistake.
    Reagan also gave free hospital care to illegal aliens.

    As a foreigner, I'm not surprised with your comments. Almost every non-citizen that posts here is anti-America.
     
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    I am American as much as you are. I don’t understand where the f$$$ you get the idea that I am not American.
     
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    His judgement of Trump was hypocritically expressed after the second impeachment failed. Having sacrificed his judgement in the actual vote on the alter of personal ambition.
     
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    On the contrary, opposing impeachment was the right call.
     
  13. Lee Atwater

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    Only if you falsely equate impeachment being a political, not legal, procedure, with the notion no impeachment has merits because it is inherently political. Nixon's impeachment was warranted. So were Trump's.
     
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    Absurd. McTreason as much as admitted it was the wrong call. His vote to acquit being another self serving act to protect the party and by extension his personal agenda.
     
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    Nixon was never impeached. His political support collapsed and he resigned. The process was political.
    As I posted previously, the impeachments were the Democrats' contributions to 6 January.
    Mitch was the voice of reason.
     
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    The intent to impeach Nixon was warranted. As were the actual impeachments of Trump. Only the cowardice of Repub senators, McTreason foremost among them, fearful of backlash from The Following kept him from rightfully being convicted. Mitch's voice was the manifestation of everything that's wrong with the POT.
     
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    Sorry, but that's an example of polarized intolerance -- the foundation of gridlock.
     
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    Would you care to decipher that ineffectual word salad for me?
     
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    I'm not sure you've fully regarded Talleyrand's advice with your choice of words here regarding the Senate's vote on the insurrection impeachment.

    Feckless: lacking initiative or strength of character; irresponsible.

    It's a curious thing to me to see your support of McTurtle, Cocaine Moscow Mitch.

    Up to a point there are R politicians that I like about as well as any D politician, and of course with the Clinton shift of the Ds to the right it can be exceedingly difficult in some cases to distinguish the sliver of daylight that might squeak through differences in some of the policies enacted under either of these two parties governance.

    Honestly I thought perhaps you maybe considered the threat of DFT obtaining the office again as a more serious issue than you apparently do.
     
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    We shall see. The WaPo has already weighed in that he should remain on the ballot.
     
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    Your post was an example of the approach and language that have increasingly undermined the possibility of finding common ground.
     
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    I intend to vote against DJT. The fact that I despise him does not require me to admire his detractors. Mitch has behaved in a very Talleyrand-like way, IMHO.
     
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    You seem to have followed typical R pretzel logic here, however I did digress a bit, as I am prone to do, in that post.

    Which part of it did you interpret that I was expecting you to admire his detractors?

    Specifically, this thread is about McConnell and his prediction that the GOP's character would prove to be stronger than DFT's character.

    My pov is this, just to be clear:

    DFT is very likely financially compromised through obligations to Russian oligarchs, making him a traitor.
    DFT attempted to overthrow the government of the United States using the full force and power of the office of President to do so.

    I do not despise DFT personally.
    I find him rather amusing at times.
    I admire to some extent that he forgoes anything to do with alcohol.
    I respect his fascination with the opposite sex, but not his methods apparently of gaining satisfaction.
    I get a kick out of his serving up Mickey Ds and Wendy's.
    [​IMG]

    And I get the fact that Helen Rosner's title in her New Yorker article on the matter was of itself pure American banality: The Pure American Banality of Donald Trump’s White House Fast-Food Banquet

    I fully endorse his endorsement of authorizing the bombing of Qasem Soleimani.

    Simultaneously, I find it very disturbing that Mattis saw fit to resign upon DFT's return from his private meeting with Putin in Brazil with an order to withdraw US support in the Kurdish region of NW Iraq.

    Dang Nabbit! I had hoped to be just-to-be-clear, and now have failed miserably.

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    I get that you do not plan to vote for DFT, JH.

    My next query is simply this: how great a threat to the established Western military alliances the US has formed as a consequence of WW I & II do you believe him to be?
     

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