Trump won’t change the GOP. We’ll change him: Sen Mitch McConnell

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  1. perotista

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    Trump has changed the Republican party from one of conservative ideals to one with no political ideology or philosophy. Just loyalty to a man who never had a political philosophy of his own. The 7-time party switchers has adopted whatever political ideology of the party he belonged to at the time.


    We’re left with one major party with a liberal philosophy and agenda vs. one with no philosophy and no agenda.
     
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    McConnell is fooling himself. He is like a little boy whistling in the dark to keep his spirits up. Republicans aren’t all team Trump, but it seems that most are. The moderates have lost and MAGA has won.
     
  3. Jack Hays

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    DJT is a real threat to our alliances.
    I await any evidence that DJT is financially compromised to Russians.
    Mitch is not required to guess right every time.
     
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    They are entitled to their opinion.
     
  5. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Just pointing out that one need not be at the rightward end of the spectrum or a Trump supporter to hold that view.
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This from a person who defended McTreason's unparalleled treachery in his treatment of Scalia and RBG's deaths and subsequent nominations.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Clearly. The WaPo isn't the only liberal institution holding that view, to their collective credit. They're just wrong.
     
  8. Jack Hays

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    No treason involved by MM. Merely made good on his earlier warnings to Dems after they changed the rules. You are blaming him for seeing farther and playing better than them.
     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you are ignoring the fact that nothing the Dems did after McTreason's petulant obstruction of Obama nominees justifies Mitch's power grab to pack the Court with conservatives. An obscene power grab made more obscene by his about face in the rationale he used, allowing Trump to nominate and confirm Barrett.
     
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    Nothing obscene about it. Dems were simply outsmarted, and were sore losers.
     
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    We are more in need of McConnell changing, or being changed out, than we are of Trump.

    Poll Highlights Bribed Joe's Struggles Against Trump

    NBC News poll.

    Bribed Joe 'trails GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump on major policy and personal comparisons, including by more than 20 points on which candidate would better handle the economy. And Biden’s deficit versus Trump on handling immigration and the border is greater than 30 points.'

    Those are yuge leads on key issues.

    'The poll also shows Trump holding a 16-point advantage over Biden on being competent and effective, a reversal from 2020, when Biden was ahead of Trump on this quality by 9 points'

    “What is most concerning is the erosion of Biden’s standing against Trump compared to four years ago,” Horwitt said. “On every measure compared to 2020, Biden has declined. Most damning, the belief that Biden is more likely to be up to the job — the chief tenet of the Biden candidacy — has evaporated.”

    That's because Bribed Joe sucks and Trump's had a very successful presidency, other than some of the more hysterical Left pretending that Trump committed a crime by beating Crooked Hillary, and illegally spied on him, launched unprecedented lawfare against him and tried to drive him from office. It terms of Trump's effect on our living standards and global peace, Trump did a very good job.

    And McConnell? He's the most unpopular politician in DC

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    McConnell and Trump have not gotten along for years. If McConnell changes Trump, he will be the first living organism on the planet to do it. Frankly both of them need to retire and turn over the country to the next generation.
     
  13. Grey Matter

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    US citizens are the losers of your preferred R hero McTurtle: in particular, I find that your so-called conservative interference between a woman and her pregnancy and her physician and her own personal spiritual, religious and moral values is anything but conservative. It's bad enough that the Rs have historically been the proponents of keeping US healthcare systems so intimately linked to their employer, but this McTurtle led reverse of RvW is indeed an outcome that supports HRC's take on who the Rs are.
     
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    We would have been worse.
     
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    Disagree
     
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    What about his Trade and Immigration policies?

    I don't think it's all just a personality cult.
    Trump embodies a shifting change in the political landscape.
    And the chasm between what the voters believe and what the party leaders believe has grown.
     
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    Indeed. Anyone that thinks they can change trump or control him , has no idea what they are dealing with. trump has alrady changed one party and as a result, the country . When one person can do this , there is a big problem ... with more problems to come. He is testing/pushing the boundaries of democracy and fissures are showing. One can hardly recognize this country anymore. Plus he behaves as if Biden is not in office. , but he still is. (interfering from the sidelines for his own POLITICAL GAIN. Nothing to do with what is best for the nation.
     
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    Well, now, today, Moscow Mitch is reportedly telling his Senators to tank the border bill.......Moscow Mitch, always for sale.
     
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    Pence is almost as bad as trump but worse in that he's competent.
     
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    I am pro-choice. The conservative position on abortion is reflected in the SCOTUS overturn of Roe v Wade (which I believe Mitch applauded), and has nothing to do with personal medical decisions. It has to do with how a large and diverse country should address a divisive issue. The SCOTUS determined, correctly in my view, that this is a question for the states to address; there is no reason why New York and Texas should have the same laws.
     
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  21. Grey Matter

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    The Senate vote in the insurrection impeachment occurred after Trump was already out of office. A conviction would not have resulted in Pence assuming the Presidency. The only practical result would have been a clear-cut inability for DFT to ever hold office again. Clearly the Senate Rs placed party above country with their vote. Except for the seven that voted in favor of it.
     
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    After McConnell's Border Disaster, I suspect will change out 81 yr old McConnell, not Trump.

    Border Bill Meets Its Predicted Demise

    They can't even get it a vote in the Dem controlled Senate.

    “The Trump policy: cross illegally, get deported. The Biden policy: cross illegally, get resettled” in the USA.
     
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    McConnell's Retirement Marks End of Disastrous Bush Era

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    'Mitch McConnell was a Bush Republican.'

    'those Republican elites, clashing so violently with the new right, represent the Bush wing of the GOP so publicly rejected by their own voters. Few Americans of either party hold much nostalgia about the George W. Bush presidency, and former Rep. Liz Cheney’s headlong charge into obscurity doesn’t quite inspire imitators.'

    'Mitch McConnell won leadership of the Senate GOP in 2006 — just off three years of controlling the White House, Senate, and House of Representatives, which they used to tinker on business-friendly reforms, while failing to achieve a lasting effect.'

    'bailouts for Wall Street, the president’s promised amnesty for illegal immigrants, and the increasingly unpopular Iraq War. McConnell supported all three.'

    'Within the Senate, McConnell often operated as a sort of third party. His knowledge of the institution and ability to deliver GOP votes on Democratic priorities gained him far greater power over outcomes than his minority status provided. While he could routinely wrangle a few Republicans to join Democrat majorities, his record of successfully cajoling Democrats into joining Republican majorities is virtually nonexistent. The result? He achieved his priorities, even while conservative priorities were neglected. In the storied “fusionist coalition” of defense hawks, tax cutters, and social conservatives, there was no doubt who was in charge — and who had no power at all. Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., recently learned that the hard way.'

    Glad to finally see the Bush era rolling into the rearview mirror.
     
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    The Everlasting Shame Of Mitch McConnell

    The cult of Donald Trump has swallowed the old Republican Party and nearly everyone with any significant power in it. Mitch McConnell, a remarkable national figure over the last 16 years, is no different than Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, or any of the countless others whose personal dignity was sacrificed in service of fealty to Trump. All the way down to the racist and sexist screeds Trump launched against McConnell’s own wife.

    McConnell will spend his twilight years trying to ensure that his epitaph will be free of Trump. It would be a travesty if it is. The excuse-making for McConnell will linger, but he’s no conservative, he’s no institutionalist, and he’s no evil genius.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/mitch-mcconnell-endorses-donald-trump

    Mitch disgraced himself and the country.
     
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    LOL. .True. Nicely phrased !!!

    And in his final moments of influence, he actually supports trump. The final disgrace that is astounding. He did not have to say anything about supporting anyone. Seems HIS judgment is impaired too.
     
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