Trump's fans know they have lost

Thank God we have you to interpret!

 

Those issues are a phoenix rising.

 

The above assessment is about as good now as it was leading up to the 2016 election.
I have relished the election night melt down videos for years now. Posts like the one above make me look forward to more of that in 2020.

 

Telling that you have no comprehension of the economic growth destruction of Obamanomics.

 

Trump is using the power granted to him by Congress. The Republican and Democratic Senators voting against the welfare of US citizens should be ashamed of themselves.

 

Explain it to me, Adam Smith.

 

Do your homework. For example read Casey Mulligan’s book on the economic growth destruction of ObamaCare which took 1 - 2% out of gdp growth.

 

You can't be serious.

Your vulnerability as a Trump follower is showing. I accurately report what Trump does and says. So accurate you can't challenge what I write. So, all you can do to support Trump is call me names in the fine tradition of a Trump supporter. You learned the tactic from Trump.

When the message is reality, attack the messenger.

 

Sandy, I don’t have anything against you and nothing I’ve posted in response to you has been personal attack.

I’ve engaged you on facts and proved you wrong. You double down on repeating the same misinformation over and over despite being shown you are wrong.

My recent posts insinuating you are a Russian agent is just a last ditch effort to instill a little self awareness in you and others like you. I thought you may recognize a little truth if you were subjected to smear and innuendo without proof or in the face of countering truth.

Obviously you are not open to fact or allegory so I’ll let you be. I may pop in and correct you from time to time because you are demonstrably short on real world knowledge of things you pontificate on.

And just one more attempt to get through your thick skull. I didn’t vote for Trump, I’m critical of things he does I disagree with, and keep an open mind. Unfortunately your mind is closed. Take care.

 

You are wrong. This has nothing to do with the authority of the President to declare a national emergency. That is beyond question. So, Trump and his supporters, like you, try to make that the issue. Why? Because only Trump's gullible base, of which you are a member, would believe that nonsense.

Also, this has nothing to do with border security. Time and time again, the Democrats and Republicans have voted funding for border security. The entire issue is about a border wall, not border security.

Twice, Congress has denied funds for a border wall, once in December causing Trump to "proudly" shut the government down. And again in February. Trump okayed the bill to prevent a second government shutdown and immediately declared a national emergency to obtain funding for a border wall.

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump on Friday declared a national emergency to unlock billions of dollars in federal funds to build a wall on the southern border, bypassing Congress after lawmakers refused to meet his multi-billion dollar request for border wall funds.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-february-2019/index.html

I provided to you the clauses of our Constitution that gives Congress the power of the purse. For the first time in our history Trump is using his power to declare a national emergency to obtain funding for a wall that has been expressly denied by Congress ... twice.

That is the issue.

 

You called me "a blowhard Russian Internet forum troll."

Please provide the posts where you did that. Mostly you engage in ad hominems over and over again. I honestly don't care. Such posts make you look foolish and I have ignored many of them.

I am just supposed to roll over and accept what you say? Do I hurt your feelings if I don't agree with what you say?

Too bad.

You claim not to be a Trump fan. You also claim you have been critical of Trump. I have seen no such posts, and you are giving a strong impersonation of a Trump fan.

Whatever. You can claim anything you want.

 

Yes, I’ve used language with you that you routinely use to describe the President. It’s my point.

No not roll over. Substantiate your opinions with some actual knowledge on a subject. Like your silly Trump airplane posts.

How could your ignorance hurt my feelings? I would be happy to debate you on substance of your posts but all you are interested in is bashing Trump. I don’t really like the guy but I’ve always been the kind of guy to step in when someone is being criticized on falsehoods. Your commentary on Trump is 95% ad hominem. I’ve been trying to get you to see that.

Yes it’s too bad someone like you who claims to be a conservative can’t see any positive in the Trump presidency.

My claims are substaited. Even the claim you are a blowhard Russian internet troll has as much or more evidence supporting it as your claims against the president. That was the point of it all.

 

I am absolutely correct. Trump is using the power granted to him by the Congress and is directing funds allocated by Congress to the Executive Branch to build a border barrier which is in the best interests of the citizens of the United States. That is completely under his authority as President of the US.

 

Or, we can look at the actual economic data which shows Obama had a good economy, with record months of jobs growth, record high stock market etc, which has continued into trumps administration at the same growth rate.

 

Obamanomics couldn’t produce a real growth rate over 3% in a recovery from a recession. That’s pathetic. His economic policies were disastrous.

 

Trump couldn’t either

His economic policies got us out of the worst recession in 80 years, and let to the longes post WW2 economic expansion in history.

 

I have never called Trump "a blowhard Russian Internet forum troll."

I have called him a Russian agent, willingly or unwillingly. He just vetoed a bill passed by Congress that restrained him from challenging Congressional powers as defined by our Constitution. So, Trump's latest tactic is a direct assault on our Constitution.

Putin has to be pleased with Trump's tactic.

I see, but you do.

I am a conservative who believes in the sanctity of our Constitution. Trump Republicans are supporting Trump in his attempt to usurp Congressional powers. Trump Republicans are not true conservatives, and neither is Trump.

Which would explain my opposition to Trump and Trump Republicans who are siding with Trump and his assault on our Constitution.

557 said, "Bonehead move by Trump. He’s violating the Constitution in at least two ways. He’s infuriating many of his supporters. He thinks he’s throwing progressives a bone but he’s actually dumping a bucket of blood in shark infested waters and diving in headfirst after it.

"What he’s done is wrong and stupid."

That's a first.

You are right. We finally agree on something. Thank you.

 

“There was no collusion. It’s a collusion hoax. It’s a collusion witch hunt. I don’t collude with Russia.” Trump has said over 200 times.

In a series of tweets today, Trump said the special counsel “should never have been appointed and there should be no Mueller Report.” He also claimed Mueller’s investigation was “an illegal & conflicted investigation in search of a crime.”

Anyone see a conflict here?

For two years there has been a widespread allegation consuming four Congressional investigations, and one investigation by a special prosecutor, that Trump collaborated with the Russians. In the first quote, said many times by Trump, he insists that he is innocent of the charge. If that is true, he should welcome the Mueller report. Instead, he says, "there should be no Mueller Report."

It doesn't take a genius or a Clarence Darrow to figure out Trump is hiding something.

Trump is begging to be impeached. Unfortunately, according to our Constitution, self-incrimination, stupidity, and incompetence are not listed as grounds for impeachment.

 

You agree Trump should not have banned bump stocks? If we agree on that we do have something in common.

 

I beg to differ. This claim about constitutional overreach is patently absurd.

Let's say, hypothetically, there was an army on our border... say Russia or China... and, for whatever reason, our congress refused to act and release the purse-strings, and refused to defend our border and our country.

Would or would not the president have complete authority and moreover the obligation to do any and everything, including an executive order in this exact same manner, to do something to defend our country?

 

Cite your source? Where did you get that? Those funds are not for a border wall. Congress allocated those funds for another purpose. Congress specifically denied funding for the wall ... twice.

Trump’s national emergency should be acknowledged for what it is — a ruse to wring the federal budget for money that Congress has allocated for other purposes. This, after Congress already denied the funds, to build a wall. Congress specifically denied the president the funding he wanted for the wall.

https://www.apnews.com/b6e1566a84184053a99fa33c7ae10bbb

Then there is this.

Trump has issued countless threats to shut down the government unless Congress approved money for the border wall. But Republicans in Congress are about to ignore him one more time. After nearly two years in office, it’s now perfectly clear that this Congress won’t fund the wall.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...wall-still-isn-t-funded-thanks-to-republicans

There are countless more such websites. All you had to do was look, but you aren't interested in the truth.

Trump's fans continue to invent whatever arguments suit their purpose, and truth can go to hell.

 

Of course, the President has that authority. He is, after all, the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. However, there are restraints.

War Powers Act) (50 U.S.C. 1541–154[1] is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of the U.S. Congress. It provides that the U.S. President can send U.S. Armed Forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

The War Powers Resolution requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Yours is a comparison without substance.

Please read post #775 for clarification.

 

False, your problem is you don't see this threat as tangible.

I'm giving you more of a tangible threat. And you know as well as I do that if my hypothetical were to be real, you would have zero issue with the president overriding/going around/going under or whatever he needed to do to fund our military and defend our border.

If that's the case, then on what grounds do you assert a less tangible threat makes his power any less substantive?

 

Think.

Trump is attempting reallocate funds from Congress. He does not have that power. According to our Constitution, only Congress can allocate funds.

Trump is attempting to fund a wall. Those funds have been expressly denied by Congress, once in December, again in February. Trump does not have that power.

If, a huge "if," Trump is successful, if the Supreme Court rules in his favor, he would be setting a precedent. Do you really want Democratic Presidents to have that power?

 

They already do have that power. They've had that power since 1976 when the National Emergencies Act was enacted which permits the secretary of the Army to direct troops and resources “that are essential to the national defense" during a national emergency.