Trump's fans know they have lost

Obamanomics took place in a recovery from the Great Recession. Trumponomics would have produced recovery growth of 4 - 5%. If Hillary had been elected the growth in 2017 and 2018 would have been ~ 1.5% in a period of global economic slowdown.

 

They are allocated for military purposes to ensure the security of the US and for drug enforcement purposes to again protect US citizens. Trump is absolutely correct in using these funds to build a barrier on the southern border. Those who oppose place the welfare of illegal aliens crossing the border above the welfare of US citizens.

 

He is using the funds for the express purpose they were allocated. The Democrats have already used this power - Obama used his pen to create the DACA mess which he claimed 20 - 30 times that he did not have the power to do. Democrats don't care about the legislative process - they legislate from the executive branch and the bench.

 

trumps best year was 2.9% so far.

like most of what you post, this is baseless nonsense.

 

When the economy is at a low point, large gains are easy. Gains like 2.9% are much harder to obtain when the economy is already running at top speed.

 

Read what I said.

Impoverished men, women, and children from Central America are a threat to our nation? If that is true, the threat has existed as long as I have been alive.

That kind of logic makes you a Trump fan. He thinks like that, too.

They represent a serious problem, not a national security threat. Cuba represents a great threat to us than these poor people. So does North Korea, but Trump has fallen in love with Kim Jong Un. So does Russia but Trump trusts Vladimir Putin because he is sincere (read about Helsinki summit).

 

Trump is begging to be impeached. He would be the star attraction of a daytime melodrama playing out every day for months.

Unfortunately, abject stupidity is not grounds for impeachment. Geez, is he stupid. Yesterday he made a ceremony of vetoing a bill that was passed by the Senate controlled by his own party.

Also yesterday every Republican in the House voted for a resolution to make the Mueller report public, a report Trump thinks is a hoax and should never have been made in the first place.

Slowly but surely Trump Republicans are learning that Trump is a loser. Their first clue is the 2018 mid-terms which were a disaster for Republicans. Trump made the election a referendum on him. Prior to the election a record number of Congressional Republicans quit.

 

I asked you to cite your source. For the second time you are unable, while I have provided a number of sources that show that Trump is assaulting our Constitution. You are agreeing with Trump.

I am not going to waste any more time with you on this subject. All you are doing is repeating yourself to waste my time.

On top of that, you want Trump to provide future Democratic Presidents new powers.

If, a huge "if," Trump is successful, if the Supreme Court rules in his favor, he would be setting a precedent. Do you really want Democratic Presidents to have that power?

You think like a Trump fan.

 

Except for AFM who just keeps repeating himself to waste my time and has no sources to substantiate what he is saying because he is making it up, Trump's fans have chosen to ignore this issue. That's how they stay loyal to Trump. If it is fact-based reality with multiple sources, they ignore it. The total lack of responses to this provides an example.

This has nothing to do with the authority of the President to declare a national emergency. That is beyond question. So, Trump and his supporters, like you, try to make that the issue. Why? Because only Trump's gullible base, of which you are a member, would believe that nonsense.

Also, this has nothing to do with border security. Time and time again, the Democrats and Republicans have voted funding for border security. The entire issue is about a border wall, not border security.

Twice, Congress has denied funds for a border wall, once in December causing Trump to "proudly" shut the government down. And again in February. Trump okayed the bill to prevent a second government shutdown and immediately declared a national emergency to obtain funding for a border wall.

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump on Friday declared a national emergency to unlock billions of dollars in federal funds to build a wall on the southern border, bypassing Congress after lawmakers refused to meet his multi-billion dollar request for border wall funds.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/government-shutdown-february-2019/index.html

I provided the clauses of our Constitution that gives Congress the power of the purse [post #775]. For the first time in our history Trump is using his power to declare a national emergency to obtain funding for a wall that has been expressly denied by Congress ... twice.

That is the issue. So is this.

Trump Republicans in Congress are so toady as to agree with Trump to weaken the powers of Congress.

Trump's fans don't dare touch that one. It is complete lunacy on the part of Trump Republicans. There is nothing much Trump's fans can say to that. Trump Republicans in Congress who dare to speak on the issue, are avoiding that part. They just keep repeating that the President has the power to declare a national emergency.

Well, no shyt.

 

Yes they absolutely are a threat. They are a threat on a plethora of levels. Not the least of which is the democrats attempting to give them blanket amnesty and make them citizens who can vote. These threats include an economic threat, a terrorist threat, a domestic violence threat.

And the idea of "the threat has existed as long as I have been alive" is irrelevant. A good analogy is termites. Some termites can infest your house and your house will stay standing. But if those termites are joined by more termites and they're allowed to infest and breed in your house... did you have an emergency before even though you had 10's of thousands of termites? No you didn't. But because you did nothing about it for decades and allowed those termites to multiply and begin to insidiously eat away at the structure of your home, now all of a sudden you have an emergency. And if you don't do something immediately your house is going to reach a point of no return, where it may still be standing, but the damage is irreparable and the house is doomed to collapse upon itself.

Your logic is at BEST flawed... and at it's worst dangerous.

 

The paranoid frenzy wee wee'd up by ideological media entertainers and their fake aspersions aside, Americans are not about to surrender to the scare tactics.

"Blanket amnesty!" is not a policy of any reputable political party, and "Make them citizens who can vote!" is an enduring objective of a nation built upon immigration.

The fake hysteria is not fooling anyone beyond the fools. Are a comprehensive, realistic, immigration policy and adequate border security needed? Of course.

We, as Americans, are right to scoff at the ludicrous lies of scoundrels and, rather, to embrace the promise of the nation that has been a proven formula for success.

We have consistently supported a legalization program which is both generous to the alien
and fair to the countless thousands of people throughout the world who seek legally to come to America...
to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows,
without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society.
Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and,
ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans.

VS


“Women are tied up, they’re bound, duct tape put around their faces,
around their mouths! In many cases, they can’t even breathe!
They’re put in the backs of cars or vans or trucks!...
I mean, you have hundreds of miles of open space,
and they go out there, and they’re loaded up with drugs
or they have women in the backseat of the cars with
duct tape all over the place!”​

 

What a bunch of B.S. straight from the Donald J. Trump website. You and Trump can't get it in your heads that terrorists are not about to join the parade of starving, impoverished immigrants from Central America. Geez, that is stupid. They will fly in, or simply drive across the border. Most will chose the northern border, not the heavily guarded southern border. Duh!

The crap about the Democrats is pure B.S. What is your source? The KKK manifesto?

Like all Trump fans, you fail to face the facts.

This has nothing to do with border security. Trump declared a national emergency for the expressed purpose of going around Congress to get funding for his wall. Trump even said so, geez. Because Congress denied those funds twice and they have sole power of the purse, that is an attack on our Constitution.

That is the point. If you can't see that, that makes you a typical, gullible Trump fan who believes every piece of B.S. Trump throws out there. You also agree with Trump and his assault on our Constitution.

You fail to realize you are making yourself look foolish.

 

Wheee!

 

I’m going to ask again since I haven’t gotten a response yet. Any of you who mock the idea we have an immigration crisis actually have any firsthand experience in dealing with the problem? Say as an employer, landlord, city/county government? You constantly make the claim others are parroting right wing media, but what is your source?

 

What is your source other than parroting the left wing media? We have Obama saying it is.

 

Because they're a waste of time. The thing with Kim will take months and years, he'll keep pushing the wall and veto anything the Dems come up with resulting from their tantrums and his ex lawyer did stupid stuff without Trump's knowledge and will suffer.

Mueller is wrapping up his nothing burger.

I assume you had skinchies when you did this thread?

 

That is hardly the point. You are trying to divert attention from a Constitutional crisis caused by Trump.

Like all Trump fans, you fail to face the facts.

This has nothing to do with border security. Trump declared a national emergency for the expressed purpose of going around Congress to get funding for his wall. Trump even said so, geez. Because Congress denied those funds twice and they have sole power of the purse, that is an attack on our Constitution.

That is the point. If you can't see that, that makes you a typical, gullible Trump fan who believes every piece of B.S. Trump throws out there. You also agree with Trump and his assault on our Constitution.

“The crisis of illegal activity at our Southern Border is real and will not stop until we build a great Steel Barrier or Wall,” Trump tweeted.

During fiscal 2018, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) apprehended 396,579 undocumented immigrants at the southern border. That figure is only a fraction of the 1,643,679 apprehensions in 2000. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/des...mmigration-is-not-at-the-southern-border.html

Illegal immigration is far less of problem than it was 20 years ago. It certainly is not a threat to our national security. 9/11 was a threat to our national security. The rise of Islamic terrorist organizations is a threat to our national security. Russia is a threat to our national security, and so is China.

Impoverished men, women, and children is not a threat to our national security. In view of real threats, saying so is moronic.

Quit believing everything you hear from Trump. It makes you look foolish.

 

My beliefs and experience with immigration have nothing to do with Trump. They were experienced and formed years before Trump was a candidate.

I’ll ask again Sandy, what is your experience on the subject? Who is feeding you talking points? You can’t project such behavior on others and refuse to answer the question. Be a man Sandy. Put up or shut up. You accuse people here daily of not thinking for themselves and repeating talking points from media and entertainment personalities. I’m afraid you are the one looking foolish when you say I’m diverting attention and it doesn’t matter where my information comes from. Then you try and tell me where it comes from when you have no way of knowing. You didn’t ask, you assume.

There is a crisis. Has been in my world for years. That’s great it hasn’t affected you. I’m happy for you. But stop being selfish and try thinking about others for a change. You run down southerners, midwesterners, people unable to acquire the education you supposedly have. Why not try listening to people that live a different life than you. You say Trump is narcissistic and I agree. But he has nothing on you.

It is the President’s duty to defend this country. It is also important for congress to do the same. Neither branch of government has done so until Trump. The Constitutional crisis is that government has failed us. Trump is not violating the Constitution by working to build a wall. He is upholding it. It is within his purview to declare an emergency.

Sandy, do you think when congress votes on spending for the military they cast seperate votes of certain dollar amounts for 1/2 fine thread bolts and 3/8 left hand thread self locking nuts? Do you think when the welds on the bumper of a Hummer fail they vote new spending to pay the shop down the road from me to add another pass so it doesn’t happen again? Your argument that it’s unconstitutional to spend already voted on money for a wall is as absurd as believing the above two scenarios. You should actually put some thought into the garbage your handlers feed you and at least polish it up a little.

Again I’ll ask. What qualifies you to criticize Trump or anyone else on this immigration issue? You say you are more knowledgeable than Trump on every subject. Where did you gain all that knowledge? As a journalist? If you want to continue to accuse people of being dupes, give us a shred of evidence you think for yourself because you sound just like the boys on Pod Save America.

Oh, and your stats on apprehensions need updated. But you are probably aware of that since you know more than Trump.

 

So you admit Obama handed off an economy at top speed. At least we are making some progress now with your ideology conflicting with reality.

 

Most of the drop in the stock market and the labor participation rate and increase in unemployment and the increase in the national debt occurred after Obama took office.

 

Because of republican incompetence, which led to the worst recession in 80 years. Thankfully, we had democrats in office to turn that around.

 

It all took place while Obama was in office. The republicans are not responsible for what Obama did.

 

refuted this several times already

 

You are a troll sir......No matter how you slice it......TROLL

 

You never refute anything. You only claim you have refuted.