Trump's Raids are meant to terrorize Americans. So I decided to help stop this.

Of course not! What Trump, The Lord, says is.

 

Who told you that is the purpose?

THAT is the purpose. To force ICE to use warrants.

My concern is not whether or not aliens are deported. It's whether or not they are deported LEGALLY.

 

Any of them. Unless you can think of something LEGAL that has not been tried before.

Not sure what the rest of your post has to do with my comment. Which is that if Trump does what is in the law, there is no reason to believe he'll do any better than, for example, Biden. He'll have to do something illegal, if he expects to get any results that are significantly different.

 

And it does not apply to foreign nationals not here legally.

 

One does not need a warrant to deport someone who is not here legally,

 

Also, these raids are not intended to terrorize Americans as your title claims.

 

The OP is from 2019. I don't remember the specifics. But every time you attempt to act against the rights of Americans, you rely on terror.

We have known Trump uses terrorist tactics in many situations. The family separation policy, for example.

 

Doubling down on idiocy, eh? Obviously you have no logical response.

 

Except the card has some "minor" faults. Given what I've already said you should see them immediately. A Kindergarten explanation of Constitutional rights won't help in a real world situation.

 

Your statement was "Constitutional law is not the end all and be all of our legal infrastructure."

I would NEVER be caught dead taking a comment like that seriously.

 

Your comments did not start and end with a claim that Trump is doing the same thing that his predecessors did. Your OP was about red cards that were being handed out by LA Schools in case ICE shows up to arrest students. You claimed that the Trump was fearmongering. My point has been that it is the liberals that are fearmongering by claiming that ICE is going to go into schools to round up illegals.

Now, about Trump's predecessors. If we were to establish a reset point of illegal immigrants, it would be when Reagan gave illegals in this country amnesty. He stated that the biggest mistake that he made was in not securing the border prior to granting amnesty. After him was Clinton. If you remember, it was the DNC that wanted to enforce immigration laws in this country. That did not change until Obama. Now, my point about Obama and Biden was that neither followed the law. Obama tried to enact new immigration laws via EO's, and Biden simply opened the borders and allowed everyone in without vetting. Trump during his first term, tried to secure the borders, but that was hampered by liberals in Congress. Trump even offered to work with liberals. He offered to sign a law legalizing the Deferred action programs in exchange of securing the border, but the DNC said no dice. They wanted the Deferments to stand and to open borders. Now, Trump is trying to clean up the mess created by the DNC. He is doing it legally, and he does not have to have special permission from the court systems. As I stated in my last post, Biden has given Trump all the ammunition that he needs to deport illegals and secure the border. Not only that, he has the backing of the majority of the country.

 

Not necessarily:

Does The Constitution Protect Non-Citizens? Judges Say Yes

Four federal judges so far have issued injunctions blocking the enforcement of President Donald Trump's executive order on immigration, and the reasons include one that might surprise some Trump supporters: The U.S. Constitution.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daniel...titution-protect-non-citizens-judges-say-yes/

 

Yeah, you did, by implying, for instance, a resident could just order a cop out of his house - not true if he has a search or arrest warrant - at a minimum.

 

But he is correct though. The law is what the orange lunatic says it is or tries to say daily. I can hardly wait until the Supreme Court affirms it (they already did to a large degree). Imagine SCOTUS 7-2 or 8-1 will be that soon enough. Constitutional law? Yeah right, that's being relegated to non-existent day by day.

 

And, as neither you nor the organization supplying these cards makes any mention of the legal requirement to allow entry to federal law enforcement officers with a warrant, your bit o' snark is likely to get people unnecessarily arrested, injured and maybe even killed.
Why do you enjoy getting people killed?

 

It has long been held that the US Constitution applies to citizens and non-citizens alike. Going back further then the 2008 case that the article stated. But strangely, the article does not state what these four judges issued TRO's against is not the rounding up and deporting of criminal Illegals that President Trump's Administration is doing right now. What is being challenged is President Trump's EO about Birth Right Citizenship. This is the one area of what Trump has done that I do not support. The US Constitution's 14th Amendment identifies Citizens as Natural Born and Naturalized. If a person is born in the US, they have citizenship rights.

Trump has stated that anyone born of two people that are in the US illegally, then they do not have US Citizenship. The already mentioned Amendment says that is not true. But that citizenship does not extend to the child's parents. What Trump is doing is getting rid of what has long been termed as Anchor Babies. Illegals give birth to a child in the US and the baby automatically becomes a US Citizen. Therefore, the parents remain in the US to raise that US Citizen. What Trump should have done is to proclaim that there is no law or amendment that says that a US Citizen has to reside in the US. A child born in the US to illegals can be returned to the parent's country of origin and then return to the US when they reach the age of 18. That would be compliance with the 14th Amendment and still remove the parents that entered the US illegally.

 

Gotta love those Trump supporters up-in-arms over illegal aliens not following the law when they just had to re-elect their boy into immunity from his own apathy for the law. You can't make this stuff up. I honestly don't know whether they are trolling or whether they are truly ignorant of the massive hypocrisy involved.

 

The targeted illegal does not have to answer any questions and can probably keep his belongings from being searched without a warrant, but ICE can enter the house in hot pursuit, cuff the illegal, and haul him/her away.
There is no terrorism here. Hundreds of the illegal's neighbors are cheering.

 

When law enforcement officers execute a warrant THEY are the ones who must explain the person's constitutional rights.

 

Completely different scenario. Not what this thread is about...

 

It’s so sad that you had to resurrect this necro thread from the last time trump was potus.
But the op was spot on, now even more than then.

 

The best thing for them to do if ICE comes knocking without a warrant is ignore them and don't open the door.

There is an argument that illegal aliens are "currently in the commission of a crime" every minute they remain on US soil.

If that could hold up, and ICE has probable cause to believe one or more occupants of the house is an illegal alien, then they can argue sufficient "exigent circumstances" exist to enter the house without a warrant and seize the individual they know to be illegal.

 

Just Miranda, and often reluctantly or not at all. It would be interesting if they had to read off all the sections in the Constitution that apply to the warrant. In a just world, that would be required. In Trump's world I wouldn't be shocked if he signed an EO eliminating Miranda. They did in fact detain a Puerto Rican family for the suspected crime of speaking Spanish. I didn't see the word Miranda anywhere in the article.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i...izens-for-speaking-spanish-report/ar-AA1y5uOh

And they're trying to deport American Indians too. You know, the ones whose lands they stole from them and massacred them in the process. The ones whose ancestors have been on those lands for tens of thousands of years. I mean, look at their faces? They must be Latin since they sure aren't lily white. I didn't see the word Miranda anywhere in this article either.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/27/us/navajo-detained-ice-indigenous-immigration-trump/index.html

DICKtators who are bestowed absolutely immunity by corrupt courts can do anything. And he's certainly going to test everything out. This is Project 2025 unfolding in real time in 2025, this is what you voted for.

 

The poster I responded to is specifically referring to a search with a warrant. Officers executing the warrant will certainly explain to them that the right to refuse entry no longer applies.

I agree that if anybody would believe they can eliminate Miranda, it would have to be an idiot like Trump. Which would entail courts and lawsuits at taxpayers' expense. But Trump couldn't care less about because... basically, he doesn't PAY much in taxes. So it's not like it's his money that's at stake. It's ours!

 

I agree they are not obligated to Mirandize these people unless they are being charged with a crime and it is an arrest warrant they are executing.

There's a fine line between being "detained" and being "arrested". The "search" warrant in this context is about trying to find illegal immigrants (i.e. a witch hunt) in order to detain them and eventually deport them (if they cannot show they are legal immigrants). Do you actually believe they are ever informed of their constitutionally protected rights? There have already been cases where ICE didn't even have a warrant.