Trump's staff coordinated with the Russians during the election

Your xenophobia is showing.

 

Oh please spare me with this bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Like the RNC, Republicans, or Trump couldnt be hacked if people really wanted to or tried

You telling my Chinese or Russian hackers couldnt get through anything from the right

 

Maybe nobody with any brains didn't want Trump to lose.

Sorry, but I have despised Hillary for years, and what happened? She lost!

I wouldn't care if Jesus Christ himself hacked Podesta's server and handed it off to wikileaks. So long as Hillary is gone, that's all I care about. Did the russians help? Great!!!!!! They deserve a nobel prize for helping to put that sleazy piece of excrement away for good!!!!!

Nobel przes for everybody that had a hand in putting that.... thing out to pasture!

 

I don't suppose you are capable of understanding what a big "So what?" this is to those of us that want better relations with Russia, instead of allowing our elites yet one more country to rip off.

 

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...6US606&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=craig+murray&*

 

Russia may not be the enemy anymore but they most certainly don't share our interests and they absolutely did make all sorts of incursions into our electoral process...as they did to the Balkan states and are currently doing in France and Germany.

And we just had a very unlikely winner in our Presidential election...oddly the candidate that they favored

 

Why don't you go talk with Soros about it. Maybe he'll cut you in on what they're making from the rape of the Ukraine.

 

Would you please adjust that thin foil hat of yours? Perhaps then your posts will make more sense.

 

I guess you can go cry with your fellow hillary supporters, but there's no reason why anybody who wanted Trump to win will join you. No reason at all.

 

You're naive to the extreme! Putin is a dictator who has been in power for 17 years and is the richest person in the world by a long shot, and it all was obtained while he has been in power. He has opponents killed. He plans to extend his domain as far as he can and parts of Europe and the U.S. are in his sights. He is playing up to trump and his cabinet but it would be a fool who thinks Putin wouldn't do it to use them for his own gain, only to toss them in the dumpster when he is finished with them.

Get a clue.

 

So what? Hillary lost, and that's all that was important. How she lost is irrelevant. I know you care, but why should I care?

That question of why I should care really is important to you if you think I should care if Putin had a hand in her losing. Why should I care?

Why should anybody who is happy that Trump won care?

 

IMO most of us understand the concept, since the same thing has been done to the middle and working classes in the US for the past 36 or so years.

If that is your fear, welcome to the feeling.

 

Sandy, do you have any idea how extensive the ties were between the Russians, the Clintons, and Podesta?

Good article here. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...ssia-ties-guess-who-always-got-free-pass.html

 

House Committee Members Compromised By Rogue IT Staff ...
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/04/e...it-staffers-fired-in-computer-security-probe/
Feb 04, 2017(*)· Three brothers, Imran, Abid and Jamal Awan, ... technology for members of ... served as chairman of the Democratic National Committee ...

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3 MUSLIM BROTHERS Working For Dems Caught HACKING Top ...
https://politicalcult.com/3-muslim-...king-top-secret-intel-poss-ties-muslim-bhood/
How is it possible that 3 brothers are hired, ... including former Democratic National Committee Chairman Rep ... 3 MUSLIM BROTHERS Working For Dems Caught ...

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[video=youtube;ktqdYXd1qJQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktqdYXd1qJQ[/video]​

It appears that the Progressive Left would rather focus on Fake News than what is really going on. Than three Muslim IT techs that had access to Democrat Party information and National Security info. The FBI and Homeland Security thinks that this should be investigated. Did they leak the DNC conspiracy against Bernie Sanders and Trump?

 

Here is yet another news article about the three IT Staffers and their actions:

http://www.newstarget.com/2017-02-2...ocrats-caught-in-another-massive-scandal.html

So, a whole Bunch of Current Office holding Dems are on the chopping block for having hired these MB IT specialists.

Of particular concern is the particularly high pay they recieved, at $160K, which is just 10% less than the $174K a Senator makes!

These are NOT low ranking Staff members!

These are people who are paid at level consumerant with Cabinet level postions.

These are people whose job requirments gives them access to TS Data from the National Security Committee, multiple Democratic Senators and the entire DNC!

If Obama did not directly review and approve their being hired, then Obama was direlict in his duties!

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This thread is a crock. Where is the proof.

 

Seth, allow me to differ. My title is obviously an opinion, and I supported that opinion with facts. We have communicated many times, and you know that is my style. Unlike many others on this forum, I always support my opinions with facts. It is time consuming but worth the effort.

It follows, then, to challenge my opinion (the title) you must deal with the facts I presented. You didn't do that. Consequently, in your mind, that should give my opinions validity.

You then went completely off topic, California, Rust Belt, liberals, FBI or Assange, and Democrats. This is about the smoking gun that is the Republican whitewashing of events. There have been too many lies and too many people on Trump's team in contact with the Russians to lead us to believe there is nothing there. Again, I ask, if there is nothing to hide, what is it they are hiding? The fact that you wanted to change the subject is a sign of weakness regarding your argument.

And it isn't "crap," and you know it.

 

That is an absolutely amazing question. You are not bothered by the fact that Putin got his man, a U.S. President. Incredible. Being a Trump fan means supporting Putin and the Russians. That says it all and explains a great deal. I assume you are speaking for all Trump fans or are you just a nutcase?

 

Time to get back on topic. This is not about Pennsylvania Mennonites, new buggies, Obama, or Hillary. This is about Trump and his subterfuge.

The Republicans keep saying there is no evidence the Russian hacking influenced the election. They say they are not aware of anyone changing their vote because of the leaks. How ridiculous is that, and who said anything about changing votes? The issue is influencing the vote, not changing it.

The Wikileaks campaign began in July. For four straight months, every single day, and right up to election day the voting public was bombarded by anti-Clinton disclosures, many quite damaging. Trump, himself, even encouraged the Russians. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

It is inconceivable that all this did not have an effect on the election.

As organized as Trump claims he is, it is perfectly conceivable that the Russian hacking campaign was in coordination with the Trump election committee.

All this brings up some important facts. Sessions himself admitted that the only time he has met with Kislyak was during the election season, never before July. Of the 26 members of the 2016 Armed Services Committee who met with Russian envoy Kislyak in 2016, Sessions was the only one.

Two more members of the Trump campaign’s national security officials also spoke with Kislyak in July, J.D. Gordon and Carter Page. Paul Manafort, the former Donald Trump campaign manager resigned over his lobbying work in Ukraine for the pro-Russian government. Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner met with Russia's ambassador to the U.S. in December.

Throughout the election campaign and beyond, Trump has lavished praises on the Russian leader. "If he says great things about me, I'm going to say great things about him." "I've already said he is very much of a leader. The man has very strong control over his country."

On the very same day that Sessions met with Kislyak, Sept. 8th, Trump appeared on the Russian propaganda network, RT.

During the four-month period in which Russia was actively interfering in our election for Trump's benefit, according to our 17 intelligence agencies, are we to believe this interaction between Trump's staff and Trump himself was innocent talk about future relationships? That is a bit too much. to swallow.


Comments directly related to the evidence, please, not bland generalities that are off topic. It is clear you can't defend your boy. You are forced into trying to change the subject. It won't work.

 

There has been recent reporting that the Russians never expected Trump to win and now that he has , Trump's unpredidictibility is concerning them greatly.

They also may be concerned that the exposure of their actions could undermine similar current activities in Sweden, Germany and France

 

I would be worried if I knew there was some secret agreement between Trump and Putin that is bad for America, but that case hasn't been made. As far as I can tell, Putin is just like any number of other people who prefer having Trump in the white house than Hillary.

No, I don't speak for all Trump fans. Just me.

So again, why would it bother me if Putin influenced the election? All sorts of people try to influence elections all the time. Many of them are not U.S. citizens.

Does it bother you that there were illegal aliens carrying mexican flags outside of Trump rallies, and beating up Trump supporters? I'm guessing not really. So it's the same for me, but on the other side of the aisle.

 

My point is Pelosi, McCaskill, and Schumer did not lie under oath to a Congressional confirmation hearing. My point is of the 26 members of the 2016 Armed Services Committee only one met with Russian envoy Kislyak in 2016. Sessions was the one. My point is, prior to becoming a part of Trump's election team, by his own admission, Sessions had never met with Kislyak.

Now do you see my point?

 

Once again, to prove your point you grossly exaggerate mine. With your vivid imagination you make up things I said, then criticize me for your gross exaggerations. It is a childish, transparent technique. In addition, you failed to challenge a single in the post you are replying to.

Murray is a crackpot who was disciplined and removed from his post. It says a great deal about your credibility that you place more credence on Murray than you do the 17 American intelligence agencies that say Russia interfered in our election to Trump's benefit. That is a clear example of grasping at straws.

 

That is a more sensible reply, and I have made the case that Putin got his man. You and other Trump admirers simply ignore it. Don't assume what does or doesn't bother me, particularly when it has nothing to do with the topic we are discussing. It is a sign of weakness all Trump fans have. They invariably want to change the subject because criticism of Trump is valid.

 

And they were in coordination with the Trump team. Consider this. If a "private citizen" interfered with American foreign policy with an enemy power, that is a crime. The circumstantial evidence is compelling. On the same day Obama imposed sanctions, Flynn and the Russian ambassador talked. The very next day something very odd happened. Extremely uncharacteristically, Putin did not retaliate. Instead, he invited Americans living in Moscow to a Christmas party.

The invitation is very strange. We know Putin today is jumping with glee over the sweeping controversies in the American government, mostly caused by him. Was the invitation, which became public immediately, a signal to the American news media that there was collusion between he, Putin, and the Trump team? Was it a signal that a deal was made?

Take away those explanations and Putin's actions become inexplicable.

That collusion is what Flynn, Sessions, White House, and Congressional Republicans are trying to hide. Keep in mind, they keep saying there is no evidence. Well, between the White House and Congress, they are in charge of the evidence. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy.