Again, what's the point? You want to try and convict some people for helping the Mujahideen from way back when the Mujahideen were fighting the Soviets? Are you trying to pin blame on the US no matter HOW far back you have to go? That's just (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid. Next thing you know you're going to be demanding to know why the 9/11 commission isn't putting out an arrest warrant for Osama's mother for conceiving him and then blaming it on US policy. We know you're trying your best to blacken the reputation of the US. Pretty pathetic tactics for a supposed ex marine. So much for Semper Fidelis, right? Maybe you should look up those words and remember what they mean.
Nope. Wrong again. I do go by what you write though. You made a simple enough mistake. I've done it before. Then again, I admit it when I make a mistake. Whatever happened to personal accountability?
I didn't make a mistake, you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiot. Hence the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing /sarcasm line. Did you not see Hannibal's post? I even liked it. Quit being a (*)(*)(*)(*) or you can (*)(*)(*)(*) off in that dying state of yours.
Wow. Who knew "marines" are so thin skinned. Is that how you go through life correcting mistakes? Pretending you meant to do it?
I would accept real evidence. You have yet to produce a single piece. Remember... your opinion is NOT evidence.
debunking 911 conspiracy theories is a full time job... i wish we could go back in time and see the 911 debates in 2005.. debunkers science always changes to fit the constantly changing offical story.
I am but a man on an Internet message board. How can I investigate the government? How can I question the government as a civilian. One that makes less than $200K a year. You have such a closed mind Patriot. "I follow the evidence." Some of the things you have to follow then are ludicrous. Your quote should be, "I follow the 'truth'." What is the truth? The War in Iraq was faulty, the War in Afghanistan was planned prior to 9/11, and then combated over acts of terrorism. You don't invade a country for what will be 13 years for terrorism. If I believed everything you did, I would still question the logic of sending mass forces over there. Our special forces from the Marines, Navy, Army, and then organizations like SAD are better suited for that kind of work. It incurs less civilian casualties, thus less terrorists being recruited or made, costs a whole bunch less, and saves a big chunk of your armed forces from being destroyed in missions they shouldn't be in to begin with. So it gets down to 9/11. And what you believe. What you're willing to believe and what you are willing yourself to disbelieve. It's like: Who does the CIA employ? Analysts. Now. How many foreign warnings did we get? Add in all of the data the CIA already had. What do analysts do?
By reconciling all the known facts to the government version of what happened. You don't know? For someone who doesn't know how, you sure do a lot of it. Maybe this explains why you blame the government for everything even when you have no proof that they are in any way responsible. Now one's salary affects whether or not someone can question the government? WOW! I never knew that. All you have left is insults. Really? You claim that of me while you pretend you're up in the air about Israeli art students on the 90th floor throwing ballistic gelatin mannequins out the windows to simulate jumpers? Really? That is hysterical! So what do I have to follow that is ludicrous? The passport? It is highly unlikely but possible the passport could make it through. There is no evidence the passport was faked. There is no logical reason for anyone to fake the passport. Your paranoid delusions are not evidence. Thus one must believe the passport is real. The truth isn't something to follow. The truth is the goal. One follows the evidence to the goal. One doesn't believe every crackpot theory on the way to the truth. The FACT you truthers can't produce a single shred of real evidence to back up your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) theories is only the beginning of your credibility problems. IF there was a real conspiracy, truthers would have a unified theory of what happened, how it was pulled off start to finish, who did it, and when it was done. That right there is a huge piece of evidence you truthers ignore. Instead truthers have numerous conflicting theories and they appear to believe most, if not all, of the theories at the same time despite the conflicts. Truthers can't agree on who did it. Truthers can't agree on what happened. Truthers can't agree on how the attack happened. Truthers can't agree on how the conspiracy was covered up. Truthers can't agree on how the attack was prepared for despite the need for massive amounts of preparation. Truthers can't agree on why the attacks happened. Seriously? Over TEN YEARS later and truthers are still whining about the exact same crap. You don't know what th truth is? This explains a lot. And? Maybe you should learn how to count. 2012 - 2001 - 11 years. But you're right. We should have gone in, kicked the Taliban's ass and then gotten out. That would have fixed EVERYTHING according to truther logic. So why are we still there? Afghanistan is a hellhole. It is the armpit of the world. The only logical reason I have heard was a planned gas pipeline that has been all but So you believe in truther theories because you disagree with the strategy? WTF! BTW, how is it as a "Marine" you don't know the Marines didn't have a special forces unit until 2007? Yes, because everyone knows if you don't agree with military strategy that it is because it is all because of a big conspiracy. If one follows the evidence it makes it a lot easier. When one ignorantly ignores evidence like truthers do, it makes it so much easier to be delusional, but the truth becomes impossible to find. Oh how ignorant truthers are in their musings. You think all the CIA has to do is look at the couple incomming warnings and compare it to data they already had? WOW! Unfortunately you appear to be ignorant of how the intelligence community works either now or back prior to 9/11. There are two intelligence agencies; the CIA and the FBI. The CIA is responsible for gathering foreign intelligence concerning the US. The FBI is responsible for gathering intelligence here in the US along with law enforcement duties. Both agencies receive numerous threats per day that need to be sorted through and checked for credibility. Finding the credible threats is like finding a very small needle in an extremely large haystack. But hey. It is easy to pretend the analysts were slacking and question what exactly they were doing. Here is a nice little bit of reading for you. Maybe it will give you a better understanding of what the intelligence community is up against.
"Now one's salary affects whether or not someone can question the government? WOW! I never knew that." My voice has to be heard. Correct? Talking to the masses isn't free business. Be real. "All you have left is insults." I'm sorry, but you're insulated by things that you put so much faith into, like your patriotism, but how long can you stand, really stand it, to look in the mirror. Or do you believe all of the propaganda? I should be asking how conservative you are, because that has an impact on the way you'll view American History. All of those military missions. The coups. All of the things we preach with every breath we can muster that it is wrong and whatever. But look at us. Really take a good look, man. You're so wrapped up in protecting status quo that you're blind to the fact that the house is on fire. If you cannot regulate your biases, then you should most certainly disqualify yourself from any further discussion upon topics as serious as these. The stubbornness, I.e the thickness of your skull in recognizing rudimentary concepts about our country and 9/11 is a chore to deal with. " Really? You claim that of me while you pretend you're up in the air about Israeli art students on the 90th floor throwing ballistic gelatin mannequinsout thewindowsto simulate jumpers? Really? That is hysterical! So what do I have to follow that is ludicrous? The passport? It is highly unlikely but possible the passport could make it through. There is no evidence the passport was faked. There is no logical reason for anyone to fakethepassport. Your paranoid delusions are not evidence. Thus one must believethepassport is real." A lot of weird things happened in or around 9/11. I don't know if I actually believe the Israeli Art Student ballistic dummy thing, hence why I said I was up in the air. And I never said there weren't real jumpers. I believe there were victims even though people claim all sorts of things, and the SSDI only has something like 15% registered. I don't know what else I can say about the passport. You say "highly unlikely" but say I have "paranoid delusions". So I am paranoid to doubt something that is "highly unlikely". I'd be 'deluded' if I believed in the far-fetched, eh? " Maybe you should learn how to count." Maybe you should learn to comprehend what you read. " BTW, how is it as a "Marine" you don't know the Marines didn't have a special forces unit until 2007?" LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps_Force_Reconnaissance
Your "voice"? You mean the lies you've been spouting that you can't back up? Why does your voice have to be heard? If you can't convince anyone here, what makes you think anyone else is going to listen and believe the lies More insults based on your delusional views of how I am despite all the evidence before you. I ask you for one shred of evidence that proves your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) is true. Can you produce on shred of evidence? Nope. So why should I believe you instead of all the other evidence? When people demand evidence, you make fun of them for being sane and not swallowing your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) whole. There is nothing wrong with that.
You should really look into the mirror while reading your quote and give it some thought. You're so wrapped up in protecting your notion that the government is evil and responsible for 9/11 that you're blind to the fact that you have zero evidence to back it up..
More to what Dave said, it's almost a blinding hatred which makes me wonder why people with these ideas even stay in America. However, addressing Jango in regards to the Art Student dummy idea. You can't defend that in anyway because all the basic principals for something prove it wrong. Are you familiar with Occam's Razor? To what end would it possibly benefit anyone? They would be, quite literally, throwing money out the window. They cost hundreds of dollars to make, and throwing them out the window doesn't do anything at all. I'm beginning to think you're a Poe. I fail to see what end throwing ballistic gel dummies out a window would be. When viewed by pedestrians they are noticeably different. I just fail to see the purpose and that's how I view the entire 9/11 conspiracy theory. It can't make sense both ways, there just isn't enough to connect it all together. A) 19 extremists saw an opportunity to take advantage of a lackadaisical America that was so self absorbed we didn't think anyone could get to us. They, then, used that to attack us and off our people. They knew war would come, but they had no idea the ferocity that would enfold. Or B) The US government conspired to kill it's own people. They employed thousands (yes it would need to be that many) people ranging from Demolition experts, pilots, airport security\staff, at least 200 military personnel, MSM, and that is just the tip of the iceburg. All so that they could invade Iraq, whereby all that ability used to create 9/11 falls to the wayside because they COULD NOT manifest WMD's in Iraq to cover their ass. Which then makes them look like complete morons. Now, Jango, using Occam's Razor please tell me which one is more probable. Please explain. Thank you in advance.
It's the internet expert phenomenon. I installed the google tool bar and now I'm an expert at everything. Said the guy who purports to posses the power to regulate his own biases. I wonder if he knows to regulate the above bias inherent to his system.
What's his face was wanting me to pick in-between the official story (I.e simple explanation) or the LIHOP/MIHOP (complex explanation). I contend that there is no simple explanation about 9/11. They're both complex explanations.
And I was not trying to be dishonest about Force Recon. I considered them special forces when we shared a base together. Their requirements are insane. Marines are bad Mf'ers and these are the baddest Marines we got.
And here we see another prime example of a truther not knowing the difference between extremes and is only to see everything in black and white absolutes. Does Occam's Razor state simple? No. But truthers lie about Occam's Razor in order to avoid the fact Occam's Razor makes a mockery out of their theories by exposing the vast number of assumptions that have to be made for the theory to work. Here is Occam's Razor: Occam's razor is the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness. It is a principle urging one to select from among competing hypotheses that which makes the fewest assumptions. So we have two main competing hypotheses; Al Qaeda vs. the government. There are more on the truther side, but they all have the same flaws as the government hypothesis. Al Qaeda: Evidence shows: 19 hijackers hijacked 4 planes, crashed one plane and flew three into three buildings. Assumptions: Who, specifically, funded the 9/11 attack. Government: Evidence Shows: 19 hijackers hijacked 4 planes, crashed one plane and flew three into three buildings. Assumptions The government was really behind 9/11 It wasn't really 19 hijackers It wasn't really a plane that hit the Pentagon A plane didn't crash in Shanksville Explosives were planted in WTC 1 and 2 Explosives were planted in WTC 7 A drone or some other object hit the Pentagon Even the LIHOP explanation falls apart because you have to make numerous assumptions for that because there is zero evidence the claims are true. These are the base assumptions, all of which require numerous other assumptions to be made to make them work. They are assumptions because there is no actual evidence to back up the claims which is the very definition of an assumption. To assume: 1.To authenticate by means of belief; to surmise; to suppose to be true, especially without proof. Source So. Now that you are fully educated in Occam's Razor, can you see which theory Occam's Razor claims to be the probable one?
"The principle is often incorrectly summarized as "other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor To just flippantly toss it aside and claims it "means nothing" is quite telling of your ability, or rather lack thereof, to look at things objectively.
