Turkey expels Israeli ambassador!

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/20160/World/Region/Turkey-expels-Israeli-ambassador.aspx

Well done Turkey.

The rest of the world should follow their example and show the zionist murderers that their murdering racist regime is finished.

 

I'm guessing now that the flow of weapons from Tel Aviv to the PKK is going to triple.

 

LOL, in a typically islamic manner Turkey throws a temper tantrum when things don't quite work out the way they'd like.

The UN is good when 80 muslim and 80 african countries condemn Israel on a daily basis. When a report comes out vindicating Israel, confirming the legality of the blockade and describing the actions of the anti-Israel flottila as reckless and illegal, then all of a sudden the UN is not so good anymore and its conclusions are a cause for hysteria.

Well, who cares, without close ties with Israel the role of Turkey in the Middle East is about as big and as important as the role of Tunisia.

 

lols ... do you have evidence that this is a "typically islamic manner?" the uS has been known to throw the odd temper tantrum or two ... and so have a few other places ...

in fact, I think that Israel's murderous overreaction every time they think someone is stepping on their toes is a pretty good example of a temper tantrum.

and maybe you should start learning a bit more about Turkey ...

 

....yes ....

 

Which part? The Armenian genocide, or the current murderous campaign against the Kurds, or Turkey's new found love with Assad and Ahamdinejad or perhaps the current islamization of Turkey which makes Ataturk turn in his grave?

 

Maybe if the Israelis were not supplying the PKK with weapons and stirring up trouble the Turks would not be having to defend themsleves.

 

Oh I see, the Palestinians must have their own state (23rd arab state) but the Jews are not entitled to one tiny state and the Kurds are not entitled to one either. Why am I not surprised that this is how the arab street thinks?

Well in the real world where most of us live European countries provide most of PKK’s weapons. But I bet Israel will now drastically increase its military and other ties with the Kurds and rightly so, they are far more natural ally to Israel than islamized Turkey will ever be.

 

The Zionists will come to rue their attempt to starve Gaza to death.

It's a commendable act for Turkey to give voice to Israel's Palestinian citizens.

 

Why are the US and EU arming an Internationall recognised Terrorist group?

Why are the Israelis on the ground training and arming the terrorist PKK and supplying them with intelligence to attack Turkey?

Seems to me that the US and EU and Israel are the worlds biggest terrorists

 

From Borats link



Intelligence sources indicate that the biggest arms suppliers of the terrorist Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) are allies of Turkey that are also members of NATO. Recently drafted General Staff reports say that many mines planted by the PKK were obtained from Italy and Spain.


Turkey is ready to start a new round of diplomatic initiatives to stop countries that supply the PKK with arms. Turkey has undertaken similar initiatives in previous years.

Over the past few months, the PKK has relied on arms from Mediterranean countries, intelligence reports indicate. The roadside bomb that exploded in Halkalı on Tuesday was of Portuguese origin, intelligence sources said, adding this country to the list of countries that supply arms to the terrorist organization. That attack was carried out by the PKK’s urban offshoot, the Kurdistan Freedom Falcons (TAK).

The most crucial question is how the PKK is able to bring these arms supplies it obtains from Mediterranean countries to northern Iraq. US journalist Seymour Hersh claimed in 2007 that this was done via Israel.

The General Staff has seized PKK arms and ammunition originating from 31 different countries. However, NATO-member countries have been the biggest suppliers. Most of the arms and ammunition seized are of Russian, Italian, Spanish, German and Chinese origin.

In 2007 Turkey questioned the countries where the arms used by the PKK -- particularly the heavy artillery the terrorist group uses -- are mostly manufactured on how the PKK could have obtained these weapons. These diplomatic attempts must have produced some sort of a result, as all PKK weaponry seized in the past three years have had their serial numbers erased. The military has noticed that the PKK now generally erases serial numbers, especially on explosives. However, most of the time the origins of the ammunition can still be traced. Turkey is concentrating on finding the sources of not the lighter arms but of heavy artillery such as heavy machine guns, rocket launchers, mines and hand grenades.

According to data from the General Staff, the Kalashnikovs used by PKK terrorists are from Russia and China. The rocket launchers, mines, hand grenades and heavy machine guns so far seized from the organization appear to have been manufactured in Italy, Germany, England, Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic and Hungary.

The organization uses a third country to bring the weapons to northern Iraq and then into Turkey. What disturbs Turkey most is that the mines that have killed more than 100 Turks recently were all obtained from Italy.

Another issue is that the PKK, which had been rather sloppy in using remote-controlled mines until 2008, has become more of an expert at such attacks. Terrorism experts say the PKK has been given special training, with many suspecting Mossad agents. In 2009, Interior Minister Beşir Atalay claimed that some Mossad agents had gone to northern Iraq and given training on remote-controlled explosives.

According to documents from the General Staff, 72 percent of the Kalashnikovs used by the PKK are from Russia, 15 percent from China and the rest from Hungary and Bulgaria.

In 2007, it was reported that more than 170,000 weapons donated by the US to the Iraqi army had ended up in the PKK’s hands. The US Defense Department started an investigation after Turkey’s discovery of this fact.

Turkey is making a point to not publicly announce how it suspects these weapons are being brought into northern Iraq. Pulitzer-winning journalist Hersh, in an interview with the Takvim daily earlier this month, said Israel helped the PKK base in the Kandil Mountains bring in arms and supplies on helicopters.

He said that Israel gives extensive support to the PKK and the related Iranian organization Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan (PJAK), especially in terms of arms supplies. He also said that Mossad operatives are active in the area, noting that Jewish Kurds who left northern Iraq 50 years ago returned to the region after the 2003 US occupation. He argued that most of these people are cooperating with the PKK and the purpose of these developments will become clear to all in the near future.

Although this interview has attracted the attention of Turkish security units, there is a visible effort to avoid making any official statements at this point. Turkey recently made a decision to start diplomatically lobbying countries that supply arms to the PKK. If these countries fail to cut the support they provide for the PKK, then they will be warned openly in the international arena.

So the zionists are crying about flotillas full of beans and flour and childrens books as they transport weapons and train terrorists in Iraq to kill the country sending beans and flour and childrens books !!!!

What a completely immoral and corrupt world you have created!

No wonder history has shown us that you cannot ever be trusted. You are chased away by nations. You are doing today what you done in ancient times and the exact same thing you did in the Battle of the Trench in Medina where the Jewish courts even found you guilt and executed you for deceit and treason against the Muslims who dared to trust you.

You cannot be trusted.

Each day that passes and each revelation about you just endorses how you have been treated and chased and never trusted and what you really are.

Gods Chosen people and threats of anti semitism will not save the house of horror that is zionism!

 

So even though you've been given this piece of information already, it still hasn't sunk in for you that said report also condemned Israel's actions against the flotilla? Let me repeat it for you:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...nal-report.pdf

Turkey is absolutely right to expect either a proper explanation or an apology for the death and mistreatment of its citizens.

To break diplomatic ties with a country is not a specific Islamic reaction. Western countries with a majority of citizens of other religious creeds are known to have broken diplomatic ties numerous times. For instance I hear that The United States still does not have formal diplomatic relations with Cuba. And I don't even recall Cuban soldiers shooting American citizens in the back.

As for Turkey's importance: I get the feeling that your aversion against Muslims leads you to underestimate the role of it. To inform you on this country which by the way has a longstanding secular tradition:

.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

To say that it doesn't matter when Israel loses another ally in the world, especially an ally as important as that, deems me as not very pro-Israeli, but as rather hateful towards Israel.

 

The Israelis have been in league with the Barzani tribe since 1953.. and the PKK are like contractors.. They switched sides and fought for the Soviets.

The Israelis want to control the oil fields around Kirkuk.

 

Israeli government treats Palestinians the same way as Turkey treats Kurds.

Both are sick and brutal.

 

That would suck.

PKK needs them weapons to take down Turkish racist. Especially since thous genocide denying Turks are killing innocent Kurds who are not even fighting.

 

Show some decency in your posts and other aside from your own party might listen to what you have to say,

Hanin is an arab parlament member in Israel, speaking loud and clear against its policy and as i said even been on the Marmara, yet in your other posts you constantly wrote about the "fasict" regime that suppresses the israeli arabs, how is she suppressed exactly? she still gets her salery from israel

You post here about Gaza starvation but not only there are no evidence of it but even you yourself posted a day ago about an upcoming deal that Pal will SELL food to euro markets, i know its not signed yet but buying food from a "starving" nation would be a cruel joke - if it was true

Turkey PM made a choice a long time ago about the direction he is about to take, everthing from then on was inevitable, i would withdrw our ambassador right after we stopped the flootila.

 

Dear me...hateful are you?, and what diffrence does that make aside from giving you hemorrhoids?

 

I can only repost what I said in the other thread and summarize the report's findings:

-The blockade is in line with international law, legal and justified
-The blockade's implementation complies with the requirements of the international law
-the flotilla was illegal
-the flotilla "acted recklessly"
-the flotilla was full of well-organized, armed and violent terrorists
-true nature and objectives of the flotilla organizers are highly suspicious (I guess it was not about humanitarian aid after all)
-the Israeli actions to stop the flotilla were legal and justified

but
-Israeli soldiers overreacted and shot too many terrorists with too many bullets when they felt their lives were in danger.

Turkey ordered the report, Israel is happy with it, Turkey is enraged with its conclusions as its actions not Israel's were deemed illegal and wrong-headed. But by all means keep grasping at straws. There indeed is a silver lining for your ilk, Israel has been completely justified in all its actions (the blockade and the interception of the illegal flotilla) but its soldiers overreacted and killed a few too many terrorists. LOL. Good luck with this "defense". No matter how much lipstick you put on a turkey, it's still a turkey.

 

The main reason the Israelis have supplied weapons to the PKK is to annoy Syria, not Turkey (unfortunately they operate in parts of both those countries), but that isn't what is at issue.

What really happened is that Israel has previously had a cozy relationship with a mainly secular Turkey, including arms sales to Turkey's military and billions of dollars in trade. Then Erdogan came to power and starting putting bits of Islam back into Turkish public life and reining in the Turkish military (the disciples of Ataturk).

So then you get the infamous raid on the flotilla to Gaza where 9 turkish citizens are killed by the IDF in a violent confrontation at the Israeli boarding of the boats. Turkish public reaction was overwhelmingly negative (imagine our reaction if 9 Americans had been killed) and Erdogan started to smell an excuse.

The gist of the UN report was leaked to both Turkey and Israel and was generally favorable to Israel, except for the overreaction of the IDF to the violent resistance. Turkey let it be known publicly that if Israel apologized for the deaths they would leave it at that but otherwise there would be serious consequences, while Israel stated that an apology was out of the question. The report came out, Israel didn't apologize (something about admitting liability) and Erdogan took the opportunity handed to him on a platter.

Turkey's motivation is obvious, so let's look at the Israeli position. First, apologies can be (and should be) very carefully worded and potential liability can be limited as a result. Secondly, the claims the families of the dead could make would not be much more than $2 million dollars each (call it $20 million total). So, in exchange for having to say they're sorry, potentially having to cough up $20 million and denying Erdogan his excuse, Israel has lost its right to have an ambassador in a moderate muslim nation it has had a longtime friendly relationship with, lost billions of dollars in present and future business, and reinforced its image as being the enemy of all muslims.

Was Israeli pride worth that great a cost? The United States has certainly made a number of hypocritical apologies in the past when necessary and the sky didn't fall on our heads.

 

Here is what your analysis (mostly accurate IMO) competely ignores:

-the relations had extremely deteriorated long before the flotilla
-in addition to the demands of an apology Erdogan also demanded the end of the blockade
-if Erdogan does not value his country's ties with Israel and all he needs is an excuse he will find it sooner or later, no apology will restore the pre-existing closeness
-the political (as opposed to financial/liability) dimension of the apology - it would be red meat for the Israel/Jew hating mob, especially in this case when the UN declared that by and large its Turkey, not Israel who is at fault and no Israeli apology is required.
-it's better to have an open enemy than a backstabbing spiteful friend
-it's better to stand tall than be the old persecuted, scared jew who apologized for just existing and was still bitten and humiliated for things he did not do. 2000 years of jewish history has demonstrated that apology does not matter when you are dealing with someone who hates you, long term it actually makes things worse.
-arguably Turkey will lose more from the debacle, it sells more to Israel than it buys and what it sells is low-tech cr&p like food, it buys hi-tech, military, anti-terrorist gear. Let alone billions lost in turism revenues. There is a lot of Antalias on the planet, let's see how Libyans and Syrians will replace Israeli shekels

Overall your analysis is based on the premise that Israel badly needs ties with Turkey and Turkey could not care less. It's a very condescending point of view but even if it's correct, international relations like that are not sustainable anyway and no amount of apology would matter.

 

You should cast aside the propaganda that the Knesset feeds you and face the reality of Israeli fascism.
Just because Palestinian citizens of Israel hold a handful of Knesset seats does NOT mean that fascism is absent . Fascists in the Knesset are continually attempting to have the Palestinian members expelled and barred . The Palestinians hold their seats because 25% of Israelis are NOT JEWISH and they vote for them Should the fascist elements of the Knesset ever succeed in preventing Palestinian members from taking their seats then Israel would be broadcasting to the world that its flirtation with democracy was OVER. Then the US billion$ would dry up. That's all that keeps the slimy bastards in check.

Gaza is being starved of many necessities. The idiot suggestion that Gaza could be party to exporting a food surplus to the EU belongs in Wonderland, with Alice. Don't you feel a twinge of embarrassment in trying to sell this pap to the forum ?

 

I believe that this step with work against Turkey's attempt to join the EU. Any boycott of Israel is not in line with EU law which does not boycott relations with Israel and in fact expressly probibits it.

I think that they should have accepted the report and should not have reacted in anger at the result. Israel should apologize for the errors it made, per the report.

 

EU membership would be disastrous for Turkey, particularly now that Turkey is gaining so much regional respect and offering the possibilities of a different regional union. Turkey, like Israel, isn't in Europe geographically. Israel would have benefitted from membership of a non-European regional union but, alas for decent Israelis, Israel's current fascist regime has blown it.

 

Turkey disagrees obviously otherwise it wouldn't be pushing for acceptance. Well I suppose regional respect includes the non-Euro realm. That is all that remains.

 

Show us some evidence of a recent Turkish ' push' to join an economically- collapsing Europe.