Turkish Terror In Kurdistan

Discussion in 'Middle East' started by alan131210, Jun 24, 2011.

  1. The Turk

    The Turk New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2011
    Messages:
    591
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Turksat is a satellite itself as Breath pointed out. You have to own a frequency to broadcast via a communication satellite. In this case Dunya TV gives its coordinate and frequency on Turksat to its viewers to have them adjust their recievers.

    You might be thinking of Turksat as an equivalent of Kurdsat which is a TV channel on the famous satellites like Hotbird. But again, Turksat itself is a satellite like Hotbird, you have to have the coordinates to be able to broadcast through a satellite.

    Again, I will put the coordinates of the two Kurdish channel to make the issue crystal clear, hopefully.

    Dunya TV frequencies:

    Turksat 3A
    frequency: 110664 Vertical
    Symbol Rate : 13000
    Fec: 5/6

    Kurdsat TV frequencies (for Hotbirds):

    Hotbird 6 (13.0°E)
    frequency: 10815 Horizontal
    Symbol Rate: 27500
    Fec: 5/6
     
  2. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    well something is better than noting , hope more real changes comes , a new constitution that gives kurds an autonomy .
     
  3. Breath

    Breath Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,090
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Would you have the same reaction if the satellite was Hotbird or something else instead.
     
  4. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    maybe not .
     
  5. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    there is a high chance civil war between kurds and turks can break out this time around if Autonomy isnt granted , i dont think the world will sit silent anymore on future turkish army terror in N.kurdistan .
     
  6. haydar

    haydar Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    last monthe many event happened, PKK broke the ceasefire and with attacks killed more than 20 soldiers. After 13 of this soldiers killed by PKK in some hours later DTP parlemetaries made declaration of ''Democratical Federation''. It wasn't more effective than Turkish PM Erdogan's and his minister's the decleration that after this time special police powers will be effective at the war with PKK and heavy war guns will be free to use, they will make the PKK and its supporters the wrold small.

    Very good movement to broke the peace by PKK and by DTP with timing of democratical federation. Now Turkish Public opinion is very sure to support the special police powers and the heavy guns to be free at the war, to support Erdogan to turn the 1990's terorism with the name of resistance aganist to terorism.

    After 13 years special police powers again will be included to war. Which means we will on the way to turn to 1990's. This means more torture, and blood...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d0m0e_iBNI&feature=related"]‪Terörün korkulu rüyası geri dönüyor‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
     
  7. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Haydar , the issue has dragged along for a long time and it will be for another god knows how many more years , peace is the only solution but if turkey doesn't want to listen to peaceful solution i.e. autonomy for kurds what other options is left in front of them ? at least with war people are reminded there is an issue and needs to be solved otherwise i dont think Erdogan is in to settle the Kurdish issue with peaceful solutions . if he did it will take no more than 6 months , new constitution autonomy for kurds and pkk will automatically dissolve .
     
  8. haydar

    haydar Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    At the 1990's PKK kept even the control of some south easth however later in few years what happened later? Turkish Army and contrguerilla erased them from this georaphy by using everyway. You can guess that how cruel they can be. If PKK declaretes a war by using eveyway aganist to Turkey absolutly they will loose. Only think blocks these special powers are the wrold public opinion, EU, USA, if they legalise their way than we will see what will happen in southeast.

    I don't beleive to make a declaration for democratical federation at this timing is clever. If Kurds who really want federation could be more clever, Turkey has a stable army 2nd in NATO and capable to war at the mountains too. If PKK says i have guerillas Turkey will say i have an Army, and illegal organisations under name of special powers.
     
  9. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    well if turkey who is in power refuses to settle the issue then let it drag on , kurds got nothing to lose anyway .
     
  10. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    also welfare war will never be won no matter who it is against including US .
     
  11. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Time the extremist Kurds took some responsibility for their rhetoric and actions.
     
  12. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    what suggestions you have in mind ?
     
  13. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Stop believing that country is going to give you big chunks of their land and get with the program.
     
  14. haydar

    haydar Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Kurds in Turkey has things to loose, this is valid maybe Kurds in Iraq and all around the wrold has nothing to loose. You should make empathy as a Kurd has investment in Turkey or as a Turk who lost his child at the mountain. Of course Turks has to make empaty too which i critisize it too.

    However i don't say it is totaly wrong to declarate the ''democratical federalism'' i critize the timing and i find wrong to kill Turkish soldiers in this era. Even Turkish army attacks they have to escape, by killing soldiers they don't get anything they just let to Turkey to legalise their operations. If next monthes another 20 and other month another 20 Turkish soldiers killed by PKK you will see how Turkey will start to overborder operations and you can be sure US and Europe will not able to stop them...Turkey made it many times and they made it in a very bad way, i don't say it as shovenism i just say what i guess if things go on like this.
     
  15. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    its not there lands its our land attached to there country . take some history lessons before you open your mouth .
     
  16. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    i think you got me wrong i dont support killing by any side , and the autonomy declaration had to be done soon or later its what most kurds want in turkey its what BDP wants , pkk wants a 2 state solution though .
     
  17. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    kurds never asked to be part of any country in 1923 they were suppose to get there state as well besides iraq syria and turkey but they were betrayed by brits and french , like i said take some history lessons .

    we did not migrate from space to our lands we have been native to our lands , had a huge empire "median epmire" but never has a state cos our leaders back then were to busy been mullahs and we are paying the price for it . but time has changed its 21 century and idiots like you cant change history . at lease we did not sell our lands like Palestinians to the jews then ask back for it lol kurds in kurdistan has never sold an inch of there lands but rather evicted and forced to leave like saddam did in kirkuk and turkeys 3000 villages destroyed and the people send to turkish areas .
     
  18. ideas

    ideas New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2010
    Messages:
    1,485
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Alan ignore marot, he has been programmed to disagree with anything that is legitimate, not to mention that his hate for Israel has spread to anyone that may have had ties with them before, yet somehow he missed Turkey, the biggest Israeli partner in the region for a very long time.

    He also ignores facts when they are presented to him on purpose and instead he repeats the same posts over and over again. He has nearly 20 thousand posts and not one of them is of an use.
     
  19. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    well said idea i have noticed it too he is like a broken cassette recorder .
     
  20. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The Syrians, Turks and Iraqis didn't migrate either.......

    The Palestinians didn't sell any land..

    The Europeans bought 6% from absentee Turkish landlords and stole the rest.
     
  21. alan131210

    alan131210 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2010
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    im not saying they did however turks syrians reside in there areas while kurds reside in theres which was attached to these countries in 1923 without there consent .
     
  22. haydar

    haydar Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    And the expected end.

    After, today PKK attack and killing 12 Turkish soldiers with an ambush now at this hours,

    Turkish F-16's are in North Iraq. And a overborder military operation could be later. Congraculations to PKK...

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/12/16/us-turkey-iraq-strikes-idUSL1653612720071216
     
  23. Gator Monroe

    Gator Monroe Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    5,685
    Likes Received:
    155
    Trophy Points:
    63
    So we have the Real Bad Actors fleshed out in Middle East (Syria, PKK, Turkey, Iran ... Not Israel (The Tiny Jewish State)
     
  24. haydar

    haydar Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    401
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    18
    These 4 are different, turkey is bombing the camps at the Kandil Moutain where PKK militans and the guns stay, not the homes and children throw the stones. Or they don't try to ''bring democracy'' like USA doing.I can't be deffender an military opreration however What Turkey doing this operation after PKK kills maybe a hundred people only in 1 month. Everybody was waiting for an operation and PKK was trying to take Turkish Army to this operation by attaking to Turkish soldiers specially recently.

    And Syria; Esad killing his own people in his own country.
     
  25. ideas

    ideas New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2010
    Messages:
    1,485
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Here you have it guys, these parasite comes here trying to clear Turkeys name, yet he compares dogs to Kurds and talks about destroying Iraqi Kurdistan, yet he is surprised as to why Kurds would want to fight back.

    The majority of Turks are just as fascist and violent as this thing above, after all they did ethnically cleanse all the 'non-Turks' and the only reason they didn't genocide Kurds at the beginning is becuase they didn't recognise a nation called Kurds.

    Here you have it. It's right in front of your very own eyes in black and white
     

Share This Page