Two important trials

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  1. Moriah

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    Thank you. Every word you said is true. The double standard is glaring. Wait a minute---did you say privilege? I thought there was no such thing as White privilege.:hiding:
     
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    EMTs don"t usually carry around AR15s do they?
     
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    OK. So, he lied to get to where the protestors were.
     
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    The man who gave Kyle that gun should get in trouble too.
     
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    EMT's are more likely to carry a pistol than a rifle, though they're often prevented from carrying arms by their employer while on duty. Rittenhouse testified that he would've preferred to carry a pistol but believed state law prevented him from doing so due to his age (it also probably restricted him from carrying a rifle, the precision of the state firearm laws are to be presented by the judge to the jury before they begin deliberation presumably Monday, but Rittenhouse testified that he thought it was legal for him to only carry a rifle, and that would have indeed been the case had he obtained a state parmit).

    And for the record, Rittenhouse fired 9 shots that night, all at close range. A pistol would have likely had the same results had he been carrying one instead.
     
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    Many white people don't recognize they have privilege because it's automatic for them. Unless they live around or work with other races, they don't see the problem or are part of the problem.

    Take all this recent "clutching the pearls" about CRT. White people's history has been officially recorded and it's required in every school across the country. So, if Native Americans were here first and Africans were brought here in enslavement, why aren't those histories also important? They don't ever stop to consider that non-minorities can live anywhere they can afford, get lower interest rates on loans, get graded higher in school, get more "second chances" from cops and judges and there are countless other non-minorities willing to stand behind them even if it means outright lying.

    I knew a guy a couple decades ago. Hard core racist, but he never made one racist statement the whole time I was in contact with him. However, what he did was hire minorities, provide them with a login to the company server to do their work but unbeknownst to them, it had a virus on it so he could log onto their computers outside work areas. He would then steal all their work, research, notes, everything and delete the digitally signed employment contracts right before firing them. By the time they tried to log in the next day, everything was gone and they were never paid. I, and a couple of other witnesses, reported him to the regulatory agency that oversees the industry he was in and guess what happened? The investigator called me for more details and I told him what I witnessed. His response was "Why do you care? He's only cheating n*ggers and sp*cs and slant-eyes." No joke and the file was closed just like that.

    So, you see, they get all kinds of automatic help from other white people all along the way and because those people get the privilege they have to raise a fuss about anything being made truly equal.
     
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    Thank you for sharing that story, MJ Davies. I used to see White privilege and racism on my job too. I usually didn't complain because I was poor and needed the job.
    Your story and some of my own experiences are what make me such a strong supporter of Affirmative Action.
     
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    I thought the central issue of the case was a 17 year old boy who killed 2 people and wounded another with an AR15 that he borrowed.
    Silly me.
     
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    Same here. I saw it all the time. Any person that claims it doesn't exist are either lying, not paying attention or part of the problem. Then, people who are marginalized are silenced by some of them wanting to brand it "playing the race card" as if it's a figment of their imagination.

    Look around the net at all the times people will dig up any kind of dirt on a person who says they've experienced overt racism. For them, it's about discrediting the person versus looking at the situation. This doesn't happen when the victim is not a minority. It's the exact same thing with rape victims. Rape and sexual harassment are the ONLY crimes in which the victim has to prove they didn't cause it to happen. Our society is so dysfunctional. It turns my stomach quite frankly.
     
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    The central issue of the case is whether it was murder or self defense. The prosecution is, in part, arguing that Rittenhouse went there to shoot people. The claim (and evidense) that he was there in part to treat injuries is therefore quite important.
     
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    Did Kyle have a first aid kit with him? Does he know any life saving skills such as: how to help stop bleeding, how to stabalize a broken bone, how to perform CPR? If the answer to these questions is no, then I doubt if he was there to render first aid.
     
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    You are a very kind person, MJ Davies. :date:
     
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    Yes he had a first aid kit with him which he used to provide demonstrators with bandages. He had been in a Firefighter/EMT preparatory program (a practice class FD's often hold for their prospective recruits prior to sending them for certified training) for some time before the night of the shootings. Its unclear for how long or what exactly he had been trained in, but IME as a certified Firefighter/EMT(lapsed), CPR and stopping bleeding are the first two practical things taught (after use PPE, scene safety and call for help, of course). If he was in the training for even just a few sessions, these skills surely would have been taught.

    This too I'm surprised you didn't know, considering your interest in this case... just fyi, if you're waiting for 'mainstream' news sources to give you these sorts of details, they're not going to. Doing so would undermine their narrative that Rittenhouse went to the protest to shoot people. The entire case (at least all the courtroom proceedings) have been recorded and are available to watch online from many different websites, including on youtube.
     
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    As are you, Moriah. Thank you.
     
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    Kyle Rittenhouse was found NOT GUILTY on all counts just a few hours ago. Today is November 19, 2021. I hope everything remains peaceful and calm in Kenosha. I do not agree with the verdict. This sets a bad precedent going forward for other vigalante minded people. If Kyle had been protecting his life in his own home/property I would have agreed it was self defense. But---he wasn't. He went looking for trouble with an AR15 strapped to his body.
     
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    It sounds like you dont think people should protect their community... do you know what else Rittenhouse was carrying besides a rifle and a medbag when he was initially attacked by the now deceased arsonist?
     
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    Yes. He was carrying his White privlege.
     
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    Jacob Blake was shot 7 times in the back because he was suspected of having a knife in his hand. Kyle Rittenhouse had an AR15 in his hands and killed 2 people and injured another; the police didn't do a thing to him. Guess which one is Black. :confusion:
     
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    I'll likely take some flack for this, but take your 'he shouldn't have been's, and transplant them on a woman of any color, in any part of town that is known to be unpleasant. Does she deserve to be molested? She shouldn't have been there! Dressed for a nice evening out. She shouldn't have been wearing that! Do you see and understand the hypocrisy of your statement?
     
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    No. Please explain it to me.
     
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    Trying to say someone 'shouldn't be there' is a false statement. You don't get to pick and choose who you apply it to.
     
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    Then the same goes for the protesters who were in Kenosha that night. They had a right to be there and Kyle had no business killing them.
    There.
     
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    Of course they had a right to be there. They didn't have a right to damage private and public property.

    They attacked Rittenhouse, he defended himself. He DID have a right to defend himself. And in case you want to go further down that track, they actively chased him.
     
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    I was just now reading a statement from the Rittenhouse family spokesman. He said they are in a safe place right now.
    He also said Kyle wants to get on with his life and become a nurse. I wouldn't want him to be my nurse. I'd be scared of him.
     
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    And the police were 100 percent justified in that shooting. Which makes this all even more ridiculous.
     
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