U.N. climate report shows civilization is at stake if we don’t act now

Speaking of Mastodons, they are working on bringing them back, for a similar reason to what your original post was about.

https://theconversation.com/could-resurrecting-mammoths-help-stop-arctic-emissions-95956

The mammoth may be key in helping to prevent the release of tons of carbon dioxide and methane trapped in the arctic permafrost from being released into the atmosphere as the global temperatures rise. If those gasses are released, it would add twice the greenhouse gasses that already exist in the atmosphere to the total. not good.

 

I just don't like how they're SO CERTAIN and sure of themselves, until they're wrong. And then the excuse is "sorry, our numbers were off" or they don't acknowledge it at all.

 

Waste of time.
Everyone is already fed.

 

I stated the point. It simply was not particularly political.

 

I suppose it is, but we are the first species to realize this and try to prevent extinctions. A tiger would not hesitate to eat the last two dodo birds, but we have come to regret the loss of mammoths. mastodons, giant sloths, etc. probably as a result of early man. We could wipe out whales and elephants and rhinos. I guess they are not the fittest in an age where one species has rifles. But we (almost universally) choose not to use our power to drive animals into extinction.

 

Well it is high time that land management is used to combat and address co2. Why did it take so long for the self evident to make it to paper and discourse? This should have been started decades ago, but hell no, the carbon tax scheme was the only way to do something about it. For it made the rich richer, on the backs of everyone else.

I have complained about this for at least a decade. Hell, even the so called environmentalists ignored the common sense involved. Rainforest deforestation should be halted today even if it takes the military to do it. There is a direct relationship between the acres of forest, especially rain forests and co2 levels. Cut all of the forests down, and watch what happens to co2 levels.

As I said, if not obsessed with the redistribution of money from everyone else to the top, we would have pressed for land management worldwide in regards to the problem of more and more co2. That the hysterical Left remained mum about something that is common sense, only proves their concern was not serious enough, and they played it as a political chess piece, wanting to win in politics and not the co2 issue. So, I never took most lefty forum members seriously whenever they railed on about climate change, global warming, driven by co2 levels.

If these global warming folks were really concerned about co2 and warming, they would have burned the barn down working hard to add as much flora as possible, and stopping the rain forest deforestation that is tremendously high and dangerous especially when they saw that the carbon tax scheme was going nowhere here in the US.

 

Just feed the cows seaweed, problem solved.

 

I agree. Time to bring back public stockades. And rotten fruit. I know, some will wax poetically back to the whole tar and feather episodes, I think public shaming, followed by removal from positions of authority augmented by removal from professional organizations might do the trick....

 

No troll. Just pointing out the contradiction of overgeneralizing "overgeneralizing".

 

That is a good point, but can we grow enough for the globe?

 

The scientific consensus on climate never predicted that we'd all be frozen by now.

 

Sounds like the AGW faithful needs to get on China and India.

 

And despite all of these so called liars the Earth has, in fact, warmed pretty much in accordance with predictions made as far back as the 1890's.

 

I agree with your post. I would like to point out that if you look at a map of the world with satellite imagery, and overlay the migration of moder humans throughout the last 50-70 thousand years, you can see the spread of desertification that we caused. South America is the last of it. It's next.

 

Nature works in amazing ways

 

To be pedantic that prediction was actually for 2035. And the IPCC corrected the mistake. How many denier prediction and statements that have proven to be wrong have been corrected?

 

Here is China. They are trying harder than most people realize.

After major flooding in 1998, China introduced the Natural Forest Conservation Program, a logging ban to help protect against erosion and rapid runoff. A recent study in Science Advances of 10 years of satellite data found significant recovery in some Chinese forests.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-27/what-chinas-successful-reforestation-program-means-rest-world

 

Exactly right! And homo sapiens may be the most amazing example. Not that we aren't animals, but what other animal organizes on a global level to preserve another animal?

 

No such thing as "scientific consensus" and yes the rage then was we would be in ice age if we didn't find ways to keep the planet warm.

 

Interesting article in the WSJ about there being so much timber in the SE the landowners are going into debt be cause of the drop in prices.

"Wall of Wood
The volume of Southern yellow pine, used in housing and to make paper, has surged in recent decades as farmers replaced cropland with trees and as clear-cut forests were replanted. By 2020, the amount of wood growing per acre of timberland in many counties will have more than quadrupled since 1980, U.S. forestry officials estimate."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/thousa...t-it-didnt-work-1539095250?mod=trending_now_2

 

How old are you mate?
People of my generation were taught we were entering the next ice age.
It's not that long ago that the scientific consensus was saying how were were all going to be frozen by now.

 

Living here, what we have seen is prior farmland being turned into pine forests. I have about a hundred acres right across the road from me that once grew cotton or soybeans. And then so much great farmland being bought and developed for county subdivisions, as people move from the town here into rural areas to get out of the city school system here that is 99 percent black, kids from hood and fatherless homes. Oh, not only white folks fleeing to get a more balanced and better public school but quite a number of black families too. All of these new housing developments are integrated, as middle class black families flee the culture of the hoods and crime. So our farm land, lots of it, is being converted into homes and quick grow pine forests.

Wonder if china tariffs, or has none tariff trade barriers on american lumber or trees for paper mills? I have never checked to see. I know, not that many years ago, our primary export to china was scrap metal. ha ha. As americans bought most of their small consumer goods from china. ha ha. Our big banks and big corporations have done more to enrich a communist nation, a potential enemy, and to greatly aid their economic rise, in order to max out their profits, by taking away our jobs for our people. Ironic that neoliberal capitalism, globalism, has turned a minimal threat to national security into an even greater threat than russia is today. Russia has an economy the size of portugal or spain, but just look at what our capitalists have done for a communist state, a natural enemy of democracy!! Looks like utter insanity to me, and is, actually. But it is what chasing max profits creates. Max profits has become a clear and present danger and a national security risk. That shows you just how powerful and stupid that max profits end up being, threatening existent generations alive today in the US.

Sorry for the digression. So is china the largest emitter of co2 today? Given they now make most of our consumer goods, and don't have an EPA like ours, and other producers in the west, one would think so. Max profits does so much damage, to the environment, and to working americans, but neither of these things matter these days. The cost of the scheme of globalism is just far too great, and the neoliberal form of capitalism is beginning to look like a terminal cancer, that destroys our middle class unless we get some common sense in DC, who decide to once again serve the People, instead of a few people at the top.

 

The truth of the matter: Man is life's highest expression of itself. That makes the universe his to own and to recreate in his own image. As to the environmentalists: Go and kiss an amoeboid

What the environmentalists seek: Life without human activity


What man will create:


Ayn Rand: Now observe that in all the propaganda of the ecologists—amidst all their appeals to nature and pleas for “harmony with nature”—there is no discussion of man’s needs and the requirements of his survival. Man is treated as if he were an unnatural phenomenon. Man cannot survive in the kind of state of nature that the ecologists envision—i.e., on the level of sea urchins or polar bears . . . .
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ecology-environmental_movement.html

And, yes, it's stating the obvious, stating the simple, and stating the not to be denied. Yes, it's the most obvious, simplest, over-generalization there ever was, and yet...?

 

And they still have a long way to go.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-chinas-cities-still-choking-smog/1046241001/

 

Yeah, in those days we were going to keep the planet warm by not using fossil fuels. LOL. Hmm. The climate debate always revolves around destroying civilization. The science doesn't matter.

 

Born and bred in the South and travel AL, MS, LA extensively. Trees EVERYWHERE. Unfortunately pulp and paper not what it used to be along with woodproducts both of which were customers just a few left compared to 30 years ago. Canadian lumber and pulp. China recycled stuff. Steel and autos have replaced those industries and both BIG customers of mine. Shame about all those people who did plant forest in hopes it would be their retirement funds of college for kids. Hopefully they were diversified. The WSJ has a gif animation which shows the explosion of new growth of the forest.