U.N. Small Arms Treaty / Arms Trade Treaty NOT dead

Would this count as "Empirical Evidence?"

http://www.nagr.org/UNTreaty_Pledge4.aspx?pid=5b

This is NO "conspiracy theory" or "tabloidism."

These are the hard facts and truths.

These are NOT bias. This is what is happening.

If you're in doubt for one second that this is not really happening, or that this cannot happen, you're dreaming, your head's in the sand, and you're totally, completely unaware about what's going on.

Also, go to www.oathkeepers.org, and watch the 9 minute and 12 second video of what took place during Hurricane Katrina. New Orleans Police Chief said "No one is allowed to be armed." "We're going to take ALL weapons." National Guard and police did just that.

If that's not "Empirical Evidence," I don't know what is.

This is NOT a "conspiracy theory."

This is NOT "tabloidism" or "bias."

These are the HARD FACTS and TRUTHS!!!

FACTS and TRUTHS are stubborn things. You cannot defeat them.

Try as you may to suppress or keep the FACTS and TRUTH hidden and down, but eventually, FACTS and TRUTH will ALWAYS come out.

Deal with it.

Face it.

If you deny it, try to cover it up, try to spread mis and disinformation, you've got major issues and problems. You'll accomplish NOTHING.

 

WATCH THIS!!!

LISTEN TO THIS!!!

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON?!

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS?!

YOU WANT TO KNOW THE REAL, HARD TRUTH AND FACTS?!

HERE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXg2WsNCrW4&feature=related

DENY AND COMBAT THESE REAL, HARD FACTS AND TRUTHS!!!

 

The treaty the UN are putting forward don't affect gun distribution in country borders, it's to stop the sale of guns to other nations. This was debunked before it was even an issue you can still get as many guns as your state allows this will not affect you personally unless you're planning on selling those guns to someone in Afghanistan you'll have no issue with authorities.

 

Yes, this is a conspiracy. a UN treaty has exactly zero effect on US law inside US borders.

 

Though on the very surface level, that is exactly what and how it appears, simply regulating and stricter laws on the importing / exporting / trading of firearms...but there is something much more sinister behind the curtain.

When they do pass this, and they will in the near future, especially if muslim socialist dictator in chief is RE-SELECTED, they will have their foot in the door to eventually ban ALL firearms for citizens.

I've done the reasearch. National Defense Authorization Act, Obamacare...basically, Posse Comitatus(Military cannot act as a police force on U.S. Soil) and Habeas Corpus(Right to trial by jury) are history. We can be detained indefinitely without charge, trial, or reason, even to a foreign prison.

This is NO conspiracy. These are the facts and truths. Well, the conspiracy is a total global fascist takeover, usurping the sovereignty of the U.S.

Check out Rex 84 and Agenda 21.

u.n. international law has no affect on the U.S., right?!

WRONG!!!

 

Though on the very surface level, that is exactly what and how it appears, simply regulating and stricter laws on the importing / exporting / trading of firearms...but there is something much more sinister behind the curtain.

When they do pass this, and they will in the near future, especially if muslim socialist dictator in chief is RE-SELECTED, they will have their foot in the door to eventually ban ALL firearms for citizens.

I've done the reasearch. National Defense Authorization Act, Obamacare...basically, Posse Comitatus(Military cannot act as a police force on U.S. Soil) and Habeas Corpus(Right to trial by jury) are history. We can be detained indefinitely without charge, trial, or reason, even to a foreign prison.

This is NO conspiracy. These are the facts and truths. Well, the conspiracy is a total global fascist takeover, usurping the sovereignty of the U.S. There has been the sinister plan and continual conspiring to accomplish this since the 1970s, at least, for U.S. Sovereignty to be gone.

Check out Rex 84 and Agenda 21.

They have been implementing their plans, agenda, and ideas, and even laws since the 1970s, in increments. Like boiling a frog alive in hot boiling water, turn it up a little at a time, and the frog doesn't know he's cooking. Turn it up too much too fast, and he hops out.

u.n. international law has no affect on the U.S., right?!

WRONG!!!

 

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Old issue but I'll indulge in it. Since you've "researched" these things could you name the provisions in the small arms treaty, NDAA or obamacare that do what you are claiming like indefinite detention or taking away guns because I've asked people to do so before and they haven't done well because normally they don't know what they're talking about.

 

These things are in the bills and acts themselves.

Concerning the Small Arms Treaty / Arms Trade Treaty, it's much more than simply being more strict on importing, exporting, and trading of firearms.

Obama's murder care throws off the elderly, because "they're going to die anyway."

And it's interesting that some people ask me to provide provisions, when they can look themselves.

People like yourself and rahl need to post links and sources refuting and disproving what's been stated.

If you dig deep enough, you'll find out the cold, hard truth about what's really going on in this Country and around the world. But you can't get all your news from main stream news media because they're controlled. One needs to look and research into alternative news, independent news, etc.

 

I asked you for the provisions proving or at least backing up your points it isn't that hard how am I supposed to debunk something if I don't know what your facts are. Asking me to go out and prove you wrong is possible in some cases but not on everything (as it would require me to first read each bill you talk about then get someone who is informed in the subject and ask for clarification to make sure I'm not getting it wrong since I am not an expert in the fields) it would be better if you could name what provisions allow indefinite detentions, where in the healthcare bill it allows old people to die, how the arms trade treaty will affect sovereign nations.

All you have done is said look it up and to be frank I could find any opinion that suits mine if I check the internet enough. Though even saying "alternative media" it's a rather blank term as it doesn't really say much. Is Russia today alternative? Infowars, The Young Turks, BBC, NYT? every one has different news sources and some are more reliable than others it being "mainstream" says nothing.

 

Actually no, the onus is on YOU to prove your claims. It's not up to US to disprove YOUR claims.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_United_Nations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Charter

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe...re-our-2nd-amendment-rights-part-of-the-deal/

http://www.asil.org/erg/?page=un

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c...nternational-law-for-the-united-states/14439/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law

NOPE, U.N. INTERNATIONAL LAW HAS ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON THE U.S., NONE WHATSOEVER!!!

The U.S. and U.K. and some other major Countries help write some U.N. international laws.

The u.n. is behind and pushes these international laws globally.

 

I would reiterate:

United Nations CharterFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search United Nations Charter Signed 26 June 1945
Location San Francisco, California, United States
Effective 24 October 1945
Condition Ratification by China, France, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, United States and by a majority of the other signatory states.
Parties 193
Charter of the United Nations at Wikisource
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The Charter of the United Nations is the foundational treaty of the international organization called the United Nations.[1] It was signed at the San Francisco War Memorial and Performing Arts Center in San Francisco, United States, on 26 June 1945, by 50 of the 51 original member countries (Poland, the other original member, which was not represented at the conference, signed it two months later). It entered into force on 24 October 1945, after being ratified by the five permanent members of the Security Council—the Republic of China (later replaced by the People's Republic of China), France, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (later replaced by the Russian Federation), the United Kingdom, and the United States—and a majority of the other signatories. Today, 193 countries are the members of the United Nations.

As a charter, it is a constituent treaty, and all members are bound by its articles. Furthermore, the Charter states that obligations to the United Nations prevail over all other treaty obligations.[1] Most countries in the world have now ratified the Charter. One notable exception is the Vatican City State, which has chosen to remain a permanent observer state and therefore is not a full signatory to the Charter.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Charter

We haven't been a sovereign Nation since at least the U.N. Charter's effective date: 24 October 1945

 

Please read this:

http://www.constitution.org/shad4816.htm

Historical, factual truths.

Waiting for rahl to refute ALL of the above posted.

 

He didn't say it had no effect on the US he said it has no effect on laws in our borders. International law is completely different to domestic policies.

For instance treaties do make foreign policy different like if North Korea attacked South Korea our treaties and international law would say that we would have to protect them as they are our allies. Though if they said we are going to make hate speech laws in all countries our constitution would trump it some countries may choose to adopt it but nothing would give them authority to enforce it.

Though how do you think the UN would enforce laws against the US? It's not like military force would be an option I can't see UN troops marching in without the US military intervening the most they could do is sanctions though I can say without a doubt three of the four other main powers would definitely not do that and it would be vetoed.

Here's a thing to consider if the UN has all this power why don't they use this authoritarian power on China? I mean they have repeatedly condemned them for actions they commit on Tibet and their own citizens. Though they have little to no power to do anything about it they may pass some resolutions trying to do something but it's usually very weak and doesn't do much.

So the only evidence you've provided is that they can put laws up for international laws and hold people to treaties and decide on what countries will get funding. Nobody denied this. Though cannot provide evidence of the UN enforcing a major domestic policy only ever putting up certain ideas which a country can choose to adopt or not.

 

I've already refuted it. UN treaties have no effect on US laws. The UN could declare that women no longer have the right to vote, and women would keep on voting despite the UN because it has no effect on US laws or the constitution

 

Mr. rahl, please refute all that is mentioned above.

Links and sources.

 

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Still waiting for mr. rahl to refute ALL of the above.

Links?!

Sources?!

Evidence?!

Irrefutable and Historical FACTS and TRUTHS?!

NOT off the top of your head, opinionated, broken record responses...

You haven't refuted anything!!!

Thank you for once again, proving that I have been RIGHT ALL along, and you have been WRONG, ALL along.

I LOVE THIS GAME...PLEASE, CONTINUE!!!

 

The US Constitution gives legal authority to treaties that the US is a party to but all treaties are still subordinate to the US Constitution. The Second Amendment would take precedent over any treaty that limits gun ownership so I really don't see any problems.

 

Well said, Shiva_TD.

However, the fact that there was indeed a meeting held for almost the entire month of this past July 2012, at u.n. headquarters in NY, NY, concerning the Arms Trade Treaty / Small Arms Treaty...it shouldn't even be discussed, talked about, or thought about, if, indeed, the U.S. Constitution outweighs "any" form of u.n. ideas, ideology, treaties, laws, legislation, proposals...etc.

The fact that this matter actually came up, it even being considered, and that there is more to it than just the trading, exporting, and importing of firearms. On the surface level, that's how it appears. That's how they want it to appear. There is something else really going on here, though. It goes much deeper. It is sinister and evil. Orchestrated.

That is the further usurpation and betrayal of American Sovereignty, U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for ALL...EVERYTHING that is American is under attack and being lost.

 

paranoid delusions

 

unless you can provide actual provisions saying what you are claiming your thoughts on it are irrelevant. I could claim that the sergei magnitstky accountability act will put all whistleblowers in prison indefinitely the fact I say this is irrelevant I would have to provide facts to prove it.

Also What does the declaration of independence have to do with our sovereignty? It's not by any means a legal document. Good ideals yes but that's about it.