U.S. Police Have Shot Dead 385 People In Five Months

Cough! Cough! Gasp! Weeeeeze! Um . . . 9-11-01? Helllllllloooooooo???????????? Oh, and . . . sheesh!

If a sneak attack is conventional then 9-11-01 was a conventional attack against the United States of America . . . and thereafter a vigorous response occurred. Now one can argue that the response was wrong in various aspects of its nature but then again, that's a different subject.

 

Hmm. How many sneak attacks by America would you like me to list for you? By the way we suffered decades of bombing, murder and kidnapping by the (US funded) IRA on the UK mainland. Did we bomb the crap out of Dublin in response?

 

As I have maintained, the left's trust of police with firearms is unjustified relative to their virulent distrust of the citizenry. Most police cannot shoot for (*)(*)(*)(*), and a fair few of them are in the police force simply so they can power trip. Ever had one of 'those' cops pull you over? Ever been to the DMV? Now give them a firearm and a broad mandate to kill without suffering the same sort of investigation as the rest of us.

See the problem? The left deems you qualified to carry based on whether you're an agent of the state or not, instead of on any relevant qualification concerning self-defense training or marksmanship. It would be one thing if they wanted everyone carrying a concealed handgun in public (including police) to undertake a marksmanship test, and to participate every few months in IDPA competition, but quite literally the only qualification which they feel is acceptable is being an agent of the state.

That's bull****.

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On comparing the US to the UK/Australia/any other totalitarian anti-gun country:

1. the homicide rate is still high in the UK: guns are not the only method of killing,
2. half of all deaths caused by guns are suicides. I support their right to end their lives whenever they see fit.
3. of those which remain, 20% are directly caused by gangs, and a fair chunk of the remainder are attributable to general inner city crime.
4. if citizens are permitted to own and carry firearms, quite obviously so should the police.
5. For the last damn time, an insignificant amount of the US gun crime rate is attributable to CCW permit holders.
6. the UK's policy on gun control is totalitarian and insulting, as is Australia's. This sort of fascist state interference in my life is in large part the reason why I am trying my best to migrate to the United States, not the United Kingdom.

And finally, it's not fair to punish innocents to restrict the guilty. All gun control does this: it preemptively punishes everyone because they might commit crime. Nobody (not even the most virulent anti-gun leftist) thinks that owning and carrying a gun is itself coercive. Gun control is exactly the same, in principle, to drug prohibition. Drug use isn't in itself coercive, nobody (not even the most virulent anti-drug conservative) thinks that possessing and using drugs is in itself coercive. Drug prohibition is a preemptive punishment on all drug users for the crime they may or may not commit.

Tyrants are the same everywhere: all across the planet, and all across the political spectrum.

 

We have enemies. Why would we allow our enemies to do the same things we do? We try to stop attacks against us while we attack our enemies in foreign land. Not doing that is stupid. It is not hypocrisy, it is national defense. If we are not keeping double standards, then we are not effectively defending our nation. Playing fair is the last thing we want when it comes to national defense.

So yes, I expect our nation to strike first when we feel threatened, and to deny our enemies that same ability.

 

Yea........our imagined altruistic imperative to save ourselves, saved England and the Soviet Union. Otherwise, if you lived, you would be posting in Yiddish or German..............

 

its been well documented that white supremecists have infiltrated the police force. this is the number one reason for the increase of murders by cops.

 

It is also a well-known fact that American cops killed more people in March than the UK did in the entire 20th century. I'm not sure if this is true, but it sounds scary as Hell! Is this about Gun culture? I mean, American civilians have guns, the UK does not. What if we are the victims of our own laws? What if this is the price of freedom?

This is a direct quote from the original person who started this thread, did you not read it or is your memory too short? What part of this being about a "gun culture" or a "victim of our own laws" did I miss. Anyone, not just cops have a right to defend themselves in this country...Cops as well as ordinary citizens...When 80% of the people shot by cops were armed with potentially lethal objects, mostly guns...What would you have those cops do...Neither you nor I were there, we don't know the specifics behind each shooting...I tend to believe that most cops are like every other citizen in this country...Do you understand the jist of this thread?

 

British screw-ups are British screw-ups; perhaps I will care about them if the once great nation becomes a wonderful empire again. On the other hand some of your television shows totally rock. Gotta love Midsomer Murders. Gruesome but curiously entertaining. Sort of like the fascination that U.S. war efforts hold for some arm chair general Brits. You know what I mean?

 

I like the boring ones; Doc Martin and Foyle's War, and occasionally Keeping Up Appearances. PBS hasn't run one of my favorites in a long time now, Reilly: Ace of Spies.

 

Lets weed out the criminals first. They are the ones who make some cops bad.

 

Britain is one of the worst nanny states ever created. Your surveillance of citizens is disgusting. Preaching the Bible can be considered hate speech there while you let the Muzzies run wild and kill your people. Any movement on Scotland Yard wanting CCTV in EVERY household over there?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Howe-calls-DIY-surveillance-help-police.html

 

Looks like people need to lose the chips on their shoulders and stop antagonizing cops.

 

I couldn't manage to get into Doc Martin and haven't as of yet seen Reilly:Ace of Spies, but I am a fan of Foyle's War and Keeping Up Appearances "Elizabeth, some nights I lie awake -- my mind whirling with hostess duties -- and I wonder, did Richard buy the Frisbee?" Now that's good television!

By the way the Australians also produce some great television. Mrs. Bradley Mysteries come to mind.

 

It's from the Huffington Post, of course they're not going to tell us that the shootings were lawful. If they weren't, we'd have heard about every one of them.

 

Wrong again, the job of the military is to first prevent such an attack by insuring that anyone who would comtemplate such an attack they would fail due to our overwhelming force, training and equipment.

Yes we learned a lesson there and the military has done an excellent job defending us from another such attack ever since.

 

Yep, and that's exactly why you're a progressive and laughed at daily.

 

That's why you couldn't melt and pour me into one of those foul cities. I wouldn't fit in anyways... Police lives matter to me.

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HELL YEAH!

 

the police are supposed to stand back...gently persuade the weapon toting criminal to begin attending group counseling meetings for those At Risk of becoming violent felons. and hope for the best...

 

Oh how about your top three.

Hold on a minute here, you're claiming the United States government funded the IRA. Let's see your proof of that.

And had you found out we were no you wouldn't have attacked us because our military would gave prevented you from doing so. Now had you found out that some small ME country was doing so, yes I imagine you would have asking for us to help you.

 

Bottom line is it is the police departments and police officers who can change their troubled relationship with good citizens. Police officers must hold each other accountable for their actions. When an officer breaks the law and violate someone's rights, their fellow officers on the force should not defend them. They almost always do. I saw the same thing in nursing when I used to work in a hospital. When a nurse went too far and abused an uncooperative patient, the other nurses would lie about what happened to cover for them. This is inexcusable in either the nursing or law enforcement fields. There are many many cops who do a otherwise good and fair job but defend other officers doing the opposite. As long as the police stance as a whole is that they never do anything wrong, this will not change.

 

There are plenty of things that warrant being shot and killed for. I can assure you that more lives have been saved by the cops for getting to a killer before the victim's family members did.

 

That deadly force is like malpractice insurance or an airbag. It's necessary, when the person with the job of managing the situation fails to do so.

It's never 'the plan' for a cop to kill a civilian. If it happens, the plan or the people executing it failed.




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No it's not always a "failure", sometimes it is a success in stopping someone who is bent on harming others.

 

You shouldn't be surprised... He'll probably feel differently when he grows up though.

 

But on the plus side of posting in German . . . at least the British would now be a highly disciplined and productive people. I can't imagine the utter crap that must pass for history studies in today's Britain. Yikes!