The UK has defined classes of vehicles (identified by their license plates) and clean air zone levels. Cameras monitor vehicles entering clean air zone levels to ensure they qualify for the zone or have paid to enter. I don't know exactly how this works, but the system has the feature of allowing cities to determine their approach to vehicles and clean air! The list of cities setting clean air zone levels is pretty impressive. So, you can buy any car you want, but if you plan to drive in the cities it is probably a good idea to pick an EV or other low emission vehicle. This is an interesting approach to demanding clean air change. I like that it doesn't just say "no more ICEs after 2030". Plus, there is local control. Besides, there are different vehicles that have important purposes, but still should get some amount of pressure toward emissions reduction or replacement. Having vehicle classes makes that more manageable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_low_emission_zone#Timeline Given how it works out in UK, does this seem like an interesting alternative to a US wide ban?
China is taking a stronger stand, stating requirements and basically banning the sales and registratiion of vehicles that don't meet the standards. Their automobile organization pressured their government to allow sales of nonconforming vehicles until the end of this year. The deadline was going to be July this year, as I remember. Today, ICE manufacturers have HUGE amounts of inventory - more than could reasonably expected to be sold by the end of the year in past years. But, it's going to be harder than that, as citizens are preferring EVs, and there are at least a couple dozen manufacturers to choose from. Anyone manufacturing ICE cars in China will be doing it for export only! With Europe moving toward EVs, it will be interesting to see where they will ship those cars. https://thedriven.io/2023/03/31/chi...tion standard further,, PM, and CH4 emissions.
This is a great way to control their subjects. A few years of this and they'll all be totally dependent on the government for their transportation. Then, the government can say who goes where, how long they can stay and they can say who stays home. Good times!!
Our whole capitalist economy is pay to play. Government is the exception to that. In this case, the public has full choice of transportation and people pay to play. In the US, we have that 2030 cut off for ICE cars, like China has a 2024 cutoff. Which do you like more? US/China or UK?
The point is to reach a point where no one can afford an approved vehicle, except for the wealthy and the political class, that is.
Existing vehicles will still be legal, as will used vehicles. It just means that you won't be able to buy a brand new ICE auto. And, EVs are competing in price for new cars, and will continue to do so. Already, EVs are on average as cheap as comparable ICEs. The real issue is whether there will be a full range of comparable EV cars - which I think is all that is covered by the US law.
There is a hard limit for the nation in China and in the US, though the US limit only applies to cars and light duty pickups - like the F series. I don't know of a hard limit in UK. Let me know if you find one! I want to know.
The demand for EVs is high enough that manufacturers are simply not keeping up. Like flat screen TVs, etc., the price is coming down. The average price of an EV fell by 10% since last October, even though Chrysler, Rivian, Lucid and others have come out with luxury EVs. I'll bet ICE prices will fall as well, given that the law in China is pretty much going to exclude ICE vehicles - a huge hit for Japanese cars as well as some US models. They will have to move their inventory somewhere. I bet the USA will get a bunch of cheap cars that way!
Existing passenger vehicles that are non compliant are charged 12.5 pounds per day. Commercial vehicles 100 pounds. Either buy a newer expensive vehicle or pay the fines.
Look and the difference in land mass, miles of roads, numbers of private vehicles, and population, then answer your own question.
I say let technology catch up with pipe dreams This country can't even meet Junes bills and you would have us believe the electric grid will be sufficient in SEVEN years to handle public and private electric transportation..
The left are addicted to koolade, flavor doesn't matter! Before it's all over we will all drown in the same pool of broken dreams and bullshit they cling so tightly too
It is the duty of all people to resist this by any means necessary. A day of mass resistance where people drive around without their number plates would be a good idea, destruction of the cameras as a more radical option.
LOL - UK has long had serious networks of cameras used for a variety of purposes, including emergency services, crime, etc.
I don't see your point here. We have dense cities, too. They have regions that are agrarian, too. The difference with direction on clean air is that they don't make one law on type of vehicle you are allowed to buy. Instead, they designed a system where air quality can be improved as the locals want. Under their system, the law on cars in west Texas doesn't have to be the same as the law on cars in Dallas and Austin.
This year there have dozens of new EV car manufacturers that are selling their products. This influx will reduce the number of ICE based cars on the road. It is just a matter of time before all vehicles are electric, with ICEs only being a cottage industry.
Do you feel the same way about water quality? Should corporations, hog farms, mining operations be allowed to use the local river as a sewer for whatever materials they don't want anymore?
I don't see you addressing those statements. I know the US is less excited about cameras (though they have a major presence here). Would you choose the US direction or the UK direction on air pollution in cities?
