UK Sovereignty

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Flanders, Jan 15, 2013.

  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    How could you possibly be wrong? I think we'll just let time show you that.


    Heh. So Europe thinks it their turn to rule the world? Actually you've done that. You've had your chance. Sorry, but I'm afraid that Europe in less than a century or so will be a non entity. You'll be too busy fighting your multiple civil wars.
     
  2. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Well you can also add Italy and you're there. :D Way over.

    Anyway my goal isn't to compare countries but to show that Europe technically would be a good deal if united.
     
  3. tamora

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    Vlad, haven't you noticed the trouble that trying to unite Europe has caused? European economies are far too diverse for it to work. Maybe one day it will be different, but that's a long way off!
     
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    Mb just add China then?
    That is irrelevant. EU can't secure economic growth which mean it would be overtaken quite soon anyway. EU and Japan are stagnating. Europe consumpes too much and produces too little. Excluding the case of new industrial revolution, the oly way for EU to grow is to decrease live level. And your populist politicians wouldn't make that happen.
     
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    Pol Pot was a member of the Marxist Circle of Khmer Students in Paris and many of those other students later became central figures in the Khmer Rouge.
     
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    Those 53 million people who live in England.
     
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    If you told me that I would say you were talking rubbish.

    It's the view of many historians that Britain could have won the war without the USA.

    You seem to forget that the first major defeat of Nazi Germany was inflicted by the British - the Battle of Britain. This was before the USA and USSR had even entered the war and when Britain was the ONLY country fighting the Germans. And without Britain's victory in the Battle of Britain there could have been no Normandy Landings.

    You also seem to forget those British victories in North Africa that came without the USA or USSR. El Alamein being a good example.

    There were also no Americans and Russians present when HMS Bulldog made the first capture of a German enigma machine and coding documents and that the efforts of the team who cracked the Enigma codes at Bletchley Park in Buckinghamshire went a long way to helping the Allies win the war.

    There would have been no landings on Omaha and Utah had the British not defeated the Germans in the Battle of Britain before the Americans even entered the war.

    If Britain had lost the Battle of Britain and had been taken out of the war there's no way the US could have won as it would not have been able to use Britain as a springboard.
     
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    The EU's share of global GDP is to fall over the coming decades, and so is its population

    The EU does not have the capabilities of becoming a superpower and to think that it does is just sheer delusion.

    Britain will be better off leaving the EU and its sclerotic, basket-case economy and concentrate on forging closer links with the Commonwealth nations. Unlike the EU, the Commonwealth has a vibrant economy. The Commonwealth's economy overtook that of the Eurozone in June 2012. And whereas the EU's economy is predicted to shrink each year for the next five years, the IMF predicts that the Commonwealth's economy will grow 7.3% each year for the next five years.
     
  9. Iolo

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    The Pressmasters have been booming drivel for about fifty years, as you know, and UKIP decided to get in on the act. Any English nationalism with real guts would take on the Ameriecans and their quislings, not try to make us even more totally their colonies. Heil Murdoch!
     
  10. Iolo

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    So what - most American rightwingers have attended places claimed to be christian! What's the kind of codswallop favoured by murderers and thieves got to do with anything? Marxism is about the establishment of democratic control by the vast working-class majority in advanced industrial countries, as you know.
     
  11. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very few Angles amongst that lot, I should say. 5% at the last count, so I believe. Perhaps you'd like back the bullyboys buying up our houses? That would build up your nastier element a little.
     
  12. tamora

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    The MSM only tell us what they want us to know. Anyone who makes it their only source of information is seriously misinformed, but UKIP is most certainly not talking drivel. That's probably why their opponents only tactic is character assassination and it's just not working anymore. They're terrified of genuine debate with UKIP.

    Why should "English nationalists" take on the Americans? The UK is not bound to comply with American wishes. Better to take on mainstream party politicians who act to comply with interests contrary to our own, whether it's the EU or the US. Even then it's only the former we are legally required to comply with as EU member states. It will be interesting to see which way the EU's Common Foreign and Security Policy pans out. One thing is certain, our votes cannot change it if we don't like it.
     
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    What are you talking about Angles - an ancient tribe - for?
     
  14. Iolo

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    UKIP is English, not British, and the alternative to the EU is Puerto Rico 2. I prefer the EU - we have some influence there.

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    'England' is a geographical expression, derived from 'Angles' (a tiny minority of revolting mercenaries back in the Fifth Century), and all its inhabitants have in common is a language spoken by much of the world, since you ask.
     
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    UKIP is British, not English. It's known as the United Kingdom Independence Party for a reason.

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    I know that. But you were trying to imply that hardly anybody in England is English.
     
  16. tamora

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    UKIP's opponents used to say that UKIP was an irrelevance in England. They're not saying that any more.

    And who's this "we"? The people have very little influence in the EU. Even our politicians don't have much influence, which is why whenever British politicians go off to the EU promising to get a good deal, they come back more emasculated than they were before. It happens every time and still the headlines in the MSM manage to portray these failures as victors who fought and won against the odds.

    Are you a Plaid Cymru supporter? Do you seriously think it would be any different if they were (theorectically) leading the negotiations?
     
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    I think he is.

    For some reason, though, it's okay to support nationalist parties in Britain... so long as they are Welsh, Scottish or Irish nationalists.

    If you support British or English nationalist parties like UKIP or English Democrats you are laughably derided as being a Far Right fascist.
     
  18. Iolo

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    It is known as the United Kingdom Independence Party because it wants to destroy our democratic voice here in the Senedd, obviously. And, as you know, 'England' is a geographical expression used as code for the power of your rich foreign masters.
     
  19. Iolo

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    Plaid Cymru is sort-of-okay, not more, whereas the others are all grovellers or crooks. I do not trust any 'British' politicians, especially the right-wing 'English' who support their masters' greed and stupidy. If you want to be yankee serfs, ohne mich, friend.
     
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    Yeah, okay.

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    If anybody's unstrustworthy, it's the Welsh.

    You're all a little weird, too.
     
  21. Iolo

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    If you and yours trusted me, it would be time to go to Switzerland for the long goodbye, chum.
     
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    And who's this "we"? The people have very little influence in the EU. Even our politicians don't have much influence, which is why whenever British politicians go off to the EU promising to get a good deal, they come back more emasculated than they were before. It happens every time and still the headlines in the MSM manage to portray these failures as victors who fought and won against the odds.

    Are you a Plaid Cymru supporter? Do you seriously think it would be any different if they were (theorectically) leading the negotiations?

    Presumably, you are a Plaid Cymru voter. The other questions stand.

    I'm never going to be a 'Yankee serf' but our mainstream politicians have made me into an EU serf with the full support of Plaid Cymru and you! Self-serving liars the lot of them, but it seems you're a believer!
     
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    Obama should of rephrased his concern over the Britain's EU relationship. I think we should have full independence from the EU. It would improve the treasury and the economy as well maintain our judicial and governmental independence.

    As for the Scottish parliament. I think it should be destroyed, I find it understandable that many Scots feel that it would be better off for independence courtesy of the relatively recent incompetence of Westminster.

    And there's absolutely no cause for Wales to have it's own parliament. Yes for Northern Ireland though.
     
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    waw I'm speechless. what would you please to do next? launch a chemical attack? make bio-fuel out of the protein in them and export it to improve the economy? ...perhaps leave a few to work on the oil rigs and when it runs out in the future turn them into fuel too?
     
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    You have a choice between being a yankee serf with no voice or a citizen of the EU with a limited one. We know what the exploiters are bawling at us, and anyone but a mug will know we must do otherwise.
     

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