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Ukraine a failed state -- which way will it fall?

Discussion in 'Russia & Eastern Europe' started by raymondo, Jan 8, 2012.

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  1. EvilAztec

    EvilAztec Banned

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    "they need to think about the future and not about the instantaneous desires"
    But What do you mean ?
    Weak European Union which begins to fall aparts? That is secure future for Ukraine you mean ? Нa-ha-ha
     
    EvilAztec, Jan 10, 2012
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  2. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    so you answer is Нa-ha-ha?
     
    litwin, Jan 10, 2012
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  3. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    Belarus (read regime lukaszienka) SUPPORTS ONLY one side - Belarusian one
     
    litwin, Jan 10, 2012
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  4. EvilAztec

    EvilAztec Banned

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    The strong Euro-currency more funnier than yours ha-ha :mrgreen:
    Russia will buy you with all your crap :mrgreen:
     
    EvilAztec, Jan 10, 2012
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  5. EvilAztec

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    double post
     
    EvilAztec, Jan 10, 2012
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  6. raymondo

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    A rare typo . Busy packing .
    It should be East Ukraine.
    Incidentally Belarus has ploughed an independent furrow -- though after the passing of Lukaschenko , developments will be interesting .
     
    raymondo, Jan 10, 2012
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  7. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    is it legal in Smalensk smoke hash? euro will allays do better then your ruble, then check out EUs GDP and yours...
     
    litwin, Jan 11, 2012
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  8. EvilAztec

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    The weak ruble is good for Russia. It is better to export. Maybe you forgot but Russia of WTO member.
     
    EvilAztec, Jan 11, 2012
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  9. litwin

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    in this case @weak@ euro good or bad? . Gambia WTO member as well , so what is your point?
     
    litwin, Jan 11, 2012
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    For Russia, the euro is almost immaterial. The course of our ruble is based on the two currencies, the euro and usd.
    If Russia WTO member it is more useful to Europe than to Russia.
     
    EvilAztec, Jan 11, 2012
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  11. EvilAztec

    EvilAztec Banned

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    Russia and China are engaged in trade on the basis of the yuan
     
    EvilAztec, Jan 11, 2012
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  12. litwin

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    ok, new back on topic, what it has to do with Ukraine ?
     
    litwin, Jan 11, 2012
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    I do not know. The solution is on their side. But in generaly they are very good and hospitable .
     
    EvilAztec, Jan 11, 2012
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  14. litwin

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    good answer, i hope you are ready to leave them right to choose by themselves
     
    litwin, Jan 12, 2012
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    No, Ukrainians may not choose all by themselves. The Ukraine is like many others, in that it has many internationally disputed lands in its territory. Most recently, the Ukraine handed back one of those lands to Romania at the Danube delta.

    Most of the Ukraine is under claims by other nations, such as Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, the Tatars of Krim, and even the "independent" Western Ukrainians/Gallicians in Lviv.

    So, the disintegration/devolution of the Ukraine should be an internationally managed excercise, like most East European devolutions have been.

    It remains an interesting question what happens to those nations of today's Ukraine that can't take part in the devolution negotiations. Will they be persecuted to total extinction/assimilation, like many East European nations have been in recent history?
     
    spt5, Jan 16, 2012
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    and keep a really big slice of ex-Romanian territory
     
    litwin, Jan 17, 2012
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    Is your bet that Romania will now stop being interested in those ex-Romanian territories? I believe Romania wants Odessa too. How long will the Ukraine keep all those lands? I think a forever will not be an option. (Although the Ukraine is a FAR better administrator than any of those little nationalistic jerk countries around it.)
     
    spt5, Jan 17, 2012
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  18. litwin

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    Odessa? you are dreamer ....sooner they get half of Rumania , other half it will be gypsy land...
     
    litwin, Jan 18, 2012
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    Now this is funny. And also interesting. Which part of Romania do you think the Ukraine could lay a claim on? And for what reason? And 50 % of Romania? What part of it?
     
    spt5, Jan 18, 2012
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  20. litwin

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    right of strongest, then it was irony....and i know what you dont know , ww2 borders unchangeable
     
    litwin, Jan 19, 2012
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  21. raymondo

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    Fantasy .
    The EU would not allow Romania to even think seriously of the idea .
    And Russia would go ape if it became a serious prospect .
    And if that is not enough , Romania would have me to deal with .I am a big Odessa fan and I am not aware of any Romanian involvement for at least the last 300 years .
     
    raymondo, Jan 22, 2012
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