Unashamed brutal action is the only answer.

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    I am no libertarian. But two wrongs do not make a wrong right. Snake nailed it.
     
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    Pathetically weak argument. How do you know what the the families of those who have been traumatised by these kinds of scumbags think? Has it ever crossed your mind that they might regard life imprisonment as more of a punishment than a death sentence? As usual, your simplistic knee jerk "solutions" do nothing other than to make fascists feel better about themselves.
     
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    "Thanks".? As usual, you miss the subtelty of the point rather like a elephant sitting on a flee. The issue is not whether these are bad people, but whether the death sentence can ever be regarded as an appropriate form of punishment.
     
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    Forced marriage of children to young to consent sold through "dowry".
     
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    Death is too easy, I am against the death penalty for a few reasons number 1) DNA testing in the Chicago cases resulting in numerous overturned convictions for capital crimes, 2) under the appeals process which is a Constitutional imperative (especially considering the Chicago cases) death row is more expensive than a life sentence, and 3) 23/7 (one hour for rec) lockdown in an isolation cell with no windows for multiple life sentences in a supermax is a more fitting punishment for these "people".
     
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    I agree with you one hundred percent.
     
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    I edited it there is actually a few reasons.

    Death is too easy, I am against the death penalty for a few reasons number 1) DNA testing in the Chicago cases resulting in numerous overturned convictions for capital crimes, 2) under the appeals process which is a Constitutional imperative (especially considering the Chicago cases) death row is more expensive than a life sentence, and 3) 23/7 (one hour for rec) lockdown in an isolation cell with no windows for multiple life sentences in a supermax is a more fitting punishment for these "people".
     
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    I don´t know if there is any data on this, but my hunch would be that the vast majority of the families of victims of the terrible crimes of the kind highlighted by Jack would actually prefer the culprits be locked behind bars for the rest of their lives. As you say, the alternative - death - would seem to be the easy option from the perspective of the perpetrator in terms of punishment. I would also be interested to know the levels of attempted suicides of those convicted of these kinds of crimes.
     
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    I could imagine they are high I spent 1 week in isolation under suicide watch, FYI if you are not suicidal before isolation after 7 days you will be, the technique is used to make you more manageable in gen pop.
     
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    Funny, many U.S. states have had the death penalty for quite some time now. We're haven't started torturing adulterers yet. Hell, it seems like we encourage them. And in this case "slippery slope" is a logical fallacy because you can't show how one thing leads logically to another, particularly with contradictory real-world examples.
     
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    And I have to say WTF to you. Did you just compare stealing(a misdemeanor depending on the circumstances, but then there's armed robbery) and cheating(not a crime, though certainly scumbaggish) to human trafficking and sexual child abuse!!??

    I won't go so far as to say "slaughter them all!" but I will say that I consider human trafficking and sexual child abuse to be serious felonies, akin to mass murder, mutilation, etc.

    Yes, I would say depending on the situation it's punishable by death.

    I'm not a Nazi, I'm morally horrified at the idea of children being subjugated to cruel and inhumane treatment by the very people they should be the most protected by.
     
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    Just for the sake of clarity will you define "human trafficking" for me, and tell me how your defintion of it would not already be illegal under the myriad of state, local, federal, and international laws against kidnapping? Also, just for clarity's sake, if an under-cover cop propositions a potential John, and he questions her regarding price, should he be arrested for "sexual trafficking?"
     
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    I agree in the most legal brutal way,
    lawful and yet resolute to have a more workable deterrence.
     
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    I don't have to do something for you that's already been done lawfully. We have statures against these things. The whole point BTW of an under-cover cop is to bust a criminal in the act.

    Otherwise child pedophiles would be on even more of a rampage.
     
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    I'm afraid that I don't follow your train of thought.
     
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    How about this?
    . After conviction, only 2 sentencing options:
    1-Offender to be remanded to the tender mercy of the victim's family, or:
    2-Offender to die in the manner of his victim.
    Enjoy!
     
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    Agreed. The 'they should be going after real criminals' is typically employed by people whining because they got busted for something.
     

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