Uncle Tom's Drag Blacks Down

Well Renee I suppose the point is God is not going to force you to do anything. Actually a person cannot believe in God, but still avoid the ill effects of bad karma. For example, Buddhists do not believe in the Supreme Lord as the Absolute Truth, HOWEVER, they do have moral principles that they rigidly adhere to such as non-violence, being tolerant, and peaceful. Thus although they are actually atheists, still they avoid the harmful effects of bad karma.

Look its up to you. I am not trying to make you do anything, nor am I trying to condemn you, I am merely trying to give you good advice. Actually your feelings of empathy for others is very good, and I hope that you continue in that way. Best of luck, no ill feelings from my end whatsoever.

 

I think it is rather offensive for a black person who is in a leadership role to thank whites for their role in black slavery. It has the effect of white washing the whole affair, and if whites can abuse black people and then blacks thank them for that abuse, then black folks deserve such abuse.

 

I would have to see exactly what Cain has said, but I do agree with your assessment of the RP political establishment generally.
It is what I mean by RP indifference to the systemic institutional racism that holds back the black American community. The fact that many find ways to overcome such obstacles may convince Republicans that everyone can bootstrap themselves over them - which is absurd.

 

I think it's kind of stupid because those people that are long since dead. You can take offense to whatever you want. Nothing is offensive.

No that's not what's happening. Slavery was abolished 150 years ago. So we're not talking about abuse we're talking about history.

You were never a slave he was never a Slave his parents your parents your grandparents we're never slaves. We are so removed from it is that taking offense to stupid statements such as this is almost as dumb as the comment itself.

 

Well I posted it before, so I suppose I will do it again if it helps you understand what was said

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/09/cain-racism-not-holding-anyone-back/

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/herman-cain-accusations-race_n_1070564.html

 

You can think whatever you want but the effects of what those people did are with us to this very day.

Oh? You don't find ANYTHING to be offensive? I think that notion is stupid.

Yes it is what is happening. And again, the effects of slavery are still with us to this day. Just like the effects of the what happened in the British colonies in 1776 are still with us today.

 

yes one of which is that they are here and not in Africa isn't that a good thing? Isn't that the only thing that was mentioned in this video that you got all butt hurt about?

no offense is taken. Somebody says no offense intended to another person. And that other person says None taken.

You choose to be offended you choose to take it you can call that stupid all day long but that's the reality.

No it isn't.

which is what the guy in the video was talking about and you called him and Uncle Tom and turn around and say the same f****** thing.

I do believe there's resentment because people don't want to focus on the future you want a b**** and moan about the past you ain't going to do it that's the history you're stuck with it you can sit around and cry about it get up and give a s*** about the future. If you want to wallow in self-pity be my guest frankly I'm tired of funding it.

like the Constitution?

Yeah thank God for that again that's what the guy in the video said.

 

You forgot about the part where he thanked the white man for bringing us here. Oops

Its offensive because it justifies the role that whites played in black slavery in the US, and the consequences that are with us to this day.

 

No I didn't.

no it's not offencive you simply take offense.

It seems you're more interested in dwelling in the past then living in the present. You don't have to think white people for bringing your ancestors here.

Until you realize until black people realize they are not their ancestors and they have every opportunity afforded to them they will remain stuck where they are.

You can spend your life being butthurt over dumb things or you can forward.

Choice is yours.

 

From your response it sounded like you did. He thanked the white man for bringing us here. As I have said before, what sort of fool would thank someone for putting his parents in the type of degraded conditions that existed on those ships?

Well you can spend your time being butthurt until the blood comes out over what I am saying, but it is totally ridiculous for a black person in a position of leadership to thank whites for the role that they played in black slavery. The choice is yours.

 

Ty for the Cain quotes and the citations. Cain is a perfect example of RP indifference, and as your quotes prove it is an odd confused blind indifference.

 

You are welcome.

I suppose the point is that Cain was not indifferent when he was the one in the hot seat. Like I said, it gives the appearance of the behavior of an Uncle Tom who knows the racism is a problem, but speaks as if it is not to gain the favor of whites. An Uncle Tom will say and do anything disgusting thing for his own self aggrandizement, even if it means selling out his race.

 

maybe you shouldn't read into things that aren't there.

it was too long ago to have been his parents or his grandparents or his great-grandparents.

What kind of a fool doesn't understand but 300 years ago what's longer than your parents time even if you're 90.

I am not the one wetting my pants about how offended I am that was you, you expressed butthurt. I'm trying to help you you won't get anywhere until you let go.

First of all I don't know what choice you're talking about but okay.

Second to think someone has to be a certain way or think of certain thing because of their race is bigotry. What I think is going on here is you don't like what he said and you're bringing his race into it you are being racist.

I leveled with you what he said was stupid. But history happened the way it did and because of that he gets to live here which is a way better place to live than Africa so I understand why he said what he did.

You're too busy crying about how it hurt your precious little feelings. Because your dwelling in the past. You will never get anywhere doing that.

 

Oh no, this stupid person thanked the white man for bringing us here. Despite what you would have us believe, he didn't simply say he was glad that he was not in Africa.

Oh, so to you its alright that they did it to your ancestors, so you should thank whites for it. What sort of fool do you want to play blacks to be?

Oh no! Its you are the one who are butthurt. I don't care if your butt bleeds and your intestines hang out, I am going to speak out against stupid Uncle Toms who thank whites for their role in black slavery.

I am not crying, you are the one weeping and moaning about what I am saying. Get over it. Uncle Toms should not thank whites for their role in black slavery. Sorry to hurt your little feelings.

 

Damn! Totally amazing black folks are thanking white people for slavery now! Now that's what you a call brainwashing! Damn!

But, an Uncle Tom will do anything to gain the favor of whites. Yessuh massah. Thanks for making me a slave massah. I's don't knows whar I's would be witout you massuh! Oh, thank you massuh! Thank you massuh! Thank you for putting your foot in my a$$ massuh! Oh massuh! I love you for putting your foot in my a$$ massuh!

Damn!!!

 

I but there are people at some think tank that comes up with these things for Uncle Toms to say.

 

Uncle Tom talking points.

Now you come here boy! Here's what you are suppose to say. You better not mess up or you know what will happen to you!

Don't worry massah! I knows what will happen! I's a good boy massah!

 

again I said it was a stupid comment. And the only reason that there are black people here it is because they were brought here I'm sure some would have come on their own as happens currently.

No. But I am not my ancestors. I Live Now I don't even know who my ancestors were they have no bearing on who I am.

this question makes no kind of sense.

the concept of an Uncle Tom in this day and age is ridiculous no slavery to escape from there's nobody trying to turn you in.

So Uncle Tom means race traitor basically anyone who does not think the way you think black people should think is it Uncle Tom that's bigotry.

get over whatm

a race traitor is an imaginary thing created by people who live in a conspiracy theory I reject your delusion so I don't see how my feelings are hurt.

It seems very important for you to suggest that I'm feeling a certain way and go ahead I don't care. Maybe you felt that it was a slight against you when I should just send you were butthurt when you were crying and moaning and carrying on about how someone who's black says stuff you don't like boohoo but apparently that was wrong you weren't doing that.

And continuing to try and pull who and where where where about Uncle Tom's and how they need to stop is not showing that you have hurt feelings about someone's race and what they say.

Meme mocking that stupidity apparently is hurt feelings I don't understand that if it works in your mind then go for it

 

We each have our beliefs...or disbeliefs and if your beliefs make you feel good, I am happy for you

 

Forget slavery..what about segregation where black people were told they were Inferior. Segregation gave the same message. I wonder if this guy would Thank segregation

 

Oh those lucky black people, they’re in America....after all , all people in Africa have no lives . Those lucky Jews they’re not in Germany, not being slaughtered..those lucky Irish, not suffering a potatoe famine (sarcasm alert)

 

Yes.

I don't I could care less.

 

I consider myself lucky I could have easily been born in Syria or Afghanistan or the Congo but I wasn't that was born in here I feel lucky about that.

Am I a race traitor?

sadly there are a lot of people in Africa that don't get to live their life they died early of preventable diseases thirst and hunger. Here are poverty-stricken people are obese.

I think this is the dumbest statement I have ever read to date. Jews that weren't in Germany during the Holocaust were lucky that isn't sarcasm that's a fact unless you think dying of thirst in a concentration camp is just jolly good fun.

Africa where millions of babies are born with HIV is a much worse place then the US we're even if you're poor you get a car a TV computers a home food all the food you can eat Medical Care.

Oh it's so bad here oh my God it's the worst where the top 1% of the world the wealthiest 1% is America and it's so awful that you're here isn't it.

I don't know how my ancestors got here I don't f****** care it's irrelevant I'm here I am free what do I have to be angry about?

 

Again, what you said was that he was merely saying that he was thankful he was not in Africa. That notion seeks to smudge over the fact that he thanked whites for bringing blacks here as slaves.

Damn!! You are saying two things. First you say that the only reason that there are black people here is because they were brought here, then you say some would have come on their own. Are you that damn confused that you can't figure out what you want to put forward?

Nobody is saying that you are your ancestors. What I am saying is that you don't thank white people who brought your ancestors here as slaves. That is an Uncle Tom sell out. Its the kind of stuff that some white people, who want black people to believe that racism is not a problem, want to hear a black person say.

Since you can't figure out whether the only reason that blacks are here is because they were brought here OR that some may have come on their own like they currently do, its not surprising that would make no sense to you. You are confused.

No its not ridiculous. What is ridiculous is an Uncle Tom sellout thanking white people for black slavery. That is a present day Uncle Tom.

That's on an old stale line that probably came from some BS think tank, its been used so often. Angela Davis does not think the way that I do, she is not an Uncle Tom. Louis Farrakhan does not think the way that I do, he is no Uncle Tom. What you have put forward is just more confused foolishness.

 

No, I said that I think that is what he meant.

Der..duh

Thats why I said his comment was stupid. It seems you miss that over and over. So if you take one statement out of context you lose context.

Well not exactly. The only reason some people are here is because they were brought here. And two things can be true at the same time.

There can be black people that are ancestors of people brought here as slaves and there also can be black people that came here.

Like I said two things can be true at the same time. This seems like very basic stuff.

I think two things can be true at the same time. It could be raining and I could also be asleep at the same time.

When things don't contradict one another they can be true.

I disagree. You can say whatever you want.

Because he doesn't think or speak how you demand black people should.

Racism is most definitely a problem. You think black people should think and act a certain way because they have a particular set of superficial characteristics. Thats a problem.

Lol we went over this already. There are many black people here because their ancestors were brought here. There are many that come here. Both of those things can be and are true art the same time since they do not contradict.

I think you are projecting your confusion.

I disagree.

What is he selling out? Your righteous indignation?

So a present day uncle tom is someone who says things you don't like? Compared to turning in runaway slaves to bounty hunters is say nobody should bat an eye at the accusation.

But this pastor is because he said something you don't like.

Do you hold Farrakhan in a higer regard than uncle Tom's?

That is because you don't understand two things that do not contradict can be true at the same time.

Calling something you don't understand or wish not to understand foolishness is of no value argumentatively. Actually it's a dismissal of arguments without addressing them.

I posit that two non- contradictory things can be true at the same time.
1) black people were brought to the United states as slaves.
2)Black people exist in other places besides the United States and can and indeed do move here.

Which one of the above do you think is untrue?