Undercover Epicenter Nurse

Since you NEVER presented any facts about ZDogg you are WRONG about that needless to say.

 

Yes, I presented the fact he doesn’t understand testing. He made a blatantly false statement about false positives from PCR tests. Just because your knowledge of science is insufficient to understand the difference between PCR and antibody testing doesn’t make Zdogg correct.

 

You made a whole lot of other utterly BOGUS allegations besides the one what I have already DEBUNKED by pointing out WHEN that post was ORIGINALLY made!

 

We haven’t had private owned hospitals in Aus for YEARS. To many standards to meet

 

Dude. When the post was made doesn’t matter. Never mind your “debunk” was information from Europe which even if relevant from a scientific viewpoint isn’t relevant to this discussion amongst Americans about what happened and is happening in the US. PCR tests have never returned high rates of false positives (without contamination). Think about why PCR is used in criminal investigations. If PCR returned false positives DNA evidence wouldn’t be allowed in court at all.


False positives from PCR happen because of contamination of reagents or cross contamination in sampling. The false positive rates(FPR) for PCR C19 is somewhere between 0.8%-4% depending on the quality (purity) of reagents and the competence of testing personnel. In contrast, false negative rates (FNR) from PCR are around 50%. So, what’s a high rate, 0.8-4% or 50%?

Next, claiming “high” FPR debunks the claim by the nurse and others here on PF that C19 cases are being over counted is stupid because it would actually support their position if true. Where I live, nobody goes in the ground or incinerator until a PCR test is performed. If false FPR was high we would be drastically over counting C19 deaths. Similarly, if PCR returned high FPR in the living, we would be drastically over counting cases as well. You guys are adamant that we are not over counting either. But now you are using bogus information from Zdogg to actually support the notion we are over counting deaths and cases. And you can’t think critically enough to even see you are doing so.

This is the danger I’m warning you about. If 5 days ago I had said today you would present an argument that we are over counting C19 cases and deaths you would not have believed me. You likely would have vehemently denied that possibility. Yet here we are. That’s the danger of not knowing why you believe something and in basing argument on logical fallacies and misinformation. It has led you to a place you didn’t want to go. Essentially presenting the same arguments C19 deniers do.

 

What kind of standards?

 

No amount of DESSEMBLING and STRAWMAN bovine excrement on your part alters the FACTS!

ZDogg posted his EXPOSE of the Covidiot Nurse in June when there were STILL issues regarding Covid19 false positives as PROVEN by the link that I provided.

The REST of the baseless SLURS you made about ZDogg you are running AWAY from because you are INCAPABLE of defending them.

It is YOU that is posting the FALLACIES about OTHERS when you have ZERO basis for doing it.

Sad!

 

Your link has no relevance to Zdoggs claim of false positives. They we’re not common in the US in June. That’s a fact. False negatives were very common. You are welcome to provide data like I have on the actual numbers. But you won’t. Because I’m right.

You will just continue to present more fallacious arguments in opposition to the facts I present. It’s your mode of operation. I’m sure the C19 deniers are happy to finally have your full support.

 

Once again you PROVE me to be 100% CORRECT that YOUR SOP is just PUERILE ad homs given that you have CONSISTENTLY FAILED to substantiate your bovine excrement allegations against ZDogg.

Sad!

 

I’ve presented data. Your turn. LOL

 

You have consistently FAILED to supply any shred of data to support these BOGUS allegations that you made about ZDogg.

OTOH I EXPOSED that ZDogg did RESEARCH the background of the nurse in question AND provided corroboration for his FINDINGS about her iniquities.

Those are YOUR own SLURS that you are INCAPABLE of defending.

Really sad!

 

ACHS

https://www.achs.org.au/

BTW I realised I was not specific enough in the previous post

We do have private companies operating private hospitals but not individuals. And none in rural settings - mostly because they could bot compete with a government run system where if you require more care than is immediately available you will be transported to the nearest Tertiary facility

 

No slurs. Just pointed out the formal and informal fallacies he used while complaining about the nurse using fallacy. I’ve never used a slur. In fact I said I generally like his content. Pointing out errors isn’t a slur. Using fallacious argument (strawman, appeal to the stone, and appeal to authority) and misinformation to discredit the nurse could be considered a slur.

In contrast, I’ve not called Zdogg names or insinuated he’s crazy because he made errors. All I’ve done is point out his errors and used science based factual information to demonstrate those errors. Going forward, I’ll keep an open mind when I read or watch a Zdogg. I’ll base my agreement or disagreement with him on demonstrable facts, just like I have here. How is that slanderous?

 

Well that helps some. I was beginning to think you weren’t really Australian. Around 40% of your hospitals are privately owned I believe without doing the math.

As far as not being able to pass accreditation standards I still find that hard to believe. I tried your link but if I try and access any details it asks for my login and password. I don’t have either. Their pop up states only 82% of public and 63% of private hospitals are accredited through their program anyway so I don’t understand how this accreditation outfit is denying operations to anyone.

It looks to me like physician owned hospitals do exist down under as well. Don’t know where they are or if it matters.

https://www.bmartin.cc/dissent/documents/health/austrhospsml.html#Independent

Pull quote.

 

Mate

I would not be found dead in a hospital that did not meet the ACHS standards. Must admit I am surprised there are any dr owned facilities left anymore. Most of the Hospitals in private hands in my state are either church owned or big overseas companies like Ramsay’s. Some private hospitals are co-located with public hospitals and some are little more than day surgery. But just be wary of Google because it just listed my local public hospital as a private facility.

 

I agree on the POH link. I can’t verify it’s accuracy. But I was wrong on percentage of private hospitals. According to your government it’s closer to 50%.
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/hospitals/hospital-resources-2017-18-ahs/contents/summary

If somewhere between 25-30% of total facilities in Australia are not accredited by this outfit you linked to, and that makes them virtual death traps, how can your system be so successful overall?

 

Yet AGAIN you completely FAILED to SUBSTANTIATE any of your REPEATED SLURS against ZDogg because YOU have ZERO basis for your slues against him.

Little wonder that your credibility is circling the bowl on this issue.

Sad!

 

I’m quite confident intelligent third parties see no issue with my credibility. The rest I’m not particularly concerned about. I’m much more interested in truth than popularity.

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!

You spouted a load of FALLACIOUS slurs about ZDogg in order to defend the DISHONEST nurse who was spreading conspiracy FALSEHOODS and you have REPEATEDLY posted puerile AD HOMS and STRAWMAN allegations about me that you cannot substantiate either.

 

Quote me where I’ve defended the nurse. LOL. All I’ve done is point out your errors and thank you for your help in demonstrating where science denial leads. I’ve even apologized for hurting your feelings.

 

Falsely DENIGRATING what ZDogg wrote is a de facto defense of that conspiracy whackjob nurse.

Too bad that you are INCAPABLE of defending your own SLURS about ZDogg or your puerile ad homs and strawman allegations about me either.

Sad!

 

That social media must censor whistleblowers speaks volumes. That true believers must vilify those who speak the truth speaks volumes.

 

No quote of me defending the nurse’s claims? Why not? That accusation from you that I have couldn’t have been another fallacious argument, could it? Go ahead. Quote me defending the nurse’s claims.

Everything I’ve presented showing Zdoggs errors is factual. If it wasn’t, you or someone else could present evidence to the contrary.

Again, I’m sorry about your feelings. Can’t be helped in this case I guess. I like some content of Zdogg and yours as well. You are both entertaining. But regardless of my feelings about you two, I’m going to continue to base my life on solid evidence, not feelings.

 

Repeating your fallacious BS does not alter the INDISPUTABLE FACT that you are INCAPABLE of substantiating your spurious SLURS against a QUALIFIED medical practitioner while you DEFENDED a crackpot conspiracy whackadoodle nurse in the process.

That is entirely YOUR problem, not mine.

 

Quotes please. You’ve twice now made unsubstantiated claims about me defending the nurse. Also include quotes of SLURS against Zdogg. I’ll reiterate. Pointing out errors is not slurs.