Undersea Volcanoes May Be Impacting Climate Change

And, according to this, they are screwing up all the models used to determine what's going on – to include human participation in the changes.

I'm certain we'll see at least five charts trying to refute this but read the story @ http://time.com/3698572/science-maya-tolstoy-geophysical-research-letters-volcanoes-climate-change/

 

DENIER!!!!

Just thought I would throw off the usual suspects with their favorite catcall, regardless of the topic or validity of the article posted.

Interesting article though. They are implying that ice and water overburden play into climate cycles, like all the ones we already know about, and are in now. But it would appear that in their scenario, volcanic activity would ALWAYS be increasing somewhere, just in different places as ice and water overburden changes. So these nasties are always pumping out CO2...HOW DARE THEY!! We need to pass some legislation to make them stop, maybe tax them to encourage their better use of geologic sequestration...hey..good enough for coal fired power plants, good enough for mother nature's geologic processes!! How dare they operate without asking humans first!!

 

Somebody call Al Gore! I'm sure he can find a way for us to pay more because of this.

 

The Manbearpig will save us. I am cereal.

 

Damn those republicans... the nerve!!! Making those undersea volcanoes erupt like that. Shameless!!!!

 

It's a vast stretch to get from "models may have to be adjusted" to "they are screwing up all the models."

As a matter of fact, if you read the science instead of the news release, there's nothing here that's remotely going to impact climate models:

"Therefore it can be inferred that based on the limited data available, we are currently in a period of reduced volcanic activity at mid-ocean ridges."

Further:

"Seafloor spreading is considered a small but steady contributor of CO2 to climate cycles on the 100 kyr time scale".

And almost nobody models climate on a 100,000-year timescale. Beyond that, the hypothesis here is that higher sea levels suppress undersea volcanic activity. In other words: No, volcanoes didn't cause the current warmth; and No, they won't contribute to more warmth any time soon.

But don't expect such mere facts get in the way of a good lie in Denierstan.

 

Stop joking around.

We need to figure out solutions to stop these evil volcanos.

Maybe we could pour water on them.

 

Obviously we need for the hysterical lefties to go and plug those holes up!! How dare the earth spew co2 out like that. Doesn't she know this is bad and creates climate change? We need the climate to remain static, stagnant, otherwise the left side boys get all worked up and frantic. They just don't like change I reckon, unless its change that they want. A boycott of undersea volcanoes is indeed called for. And they need to find some really large plugs.

 

From the article:

Overall more ice is not being created on land. In fact, much of it is melting. Using the study author's rationale, that would predict that undersea volcanoes are erupting LESS frequently and so are having less of an influence on global CO2 levels. And in fact, according to U.S.G.S. data on Earthquakes on their Earthquakes hazards page, the MOR do not show increased activity over the last 150 years.

The fact remains that the study doesn't conclude that the models are wrong. It concludes that this information needs to be included in them, and so they need to be modified, which is understandable. It will be interesting to see how the models change as a result of this information.

 

well, imagine my surprise to wake up to news that another major eruption has just occurred.......... That brings our global count to 12 very active volcanoes. They spew everything from sulfuric acid to co2 into the atmosphere....this will screw up somebody's record keeping, I'm sure

 

The one in Costa Rica is spreading ash all over the country causing a great deal of suffering.

One more going off on the Ring of Fire.

 

I have to wonder, how much is the ransom? Any body taking credit for this volcano?

 

Oh, you think so? Well, here's a record of global CO2 levels.



Please point to to us, so that we can all see, where that spike in global CO2 is from Mt. St. Helens. Or from Pinatubo. Or from any other volcanic eruption you care to name.

What's that? You can't? You mean the record keeping isn't screwed up after all?

Imagine that.

 

Just wait till Yellowstone. One of the reasons I support fracking is that hopefully all the tiny little micro quakes relieve a tiny portion of the energy and maybe will buy a few extra days before Yellowstone devestates the entire North American continent.

 

Actually that is not what the story says

Not "have been" or even "are" but MAY

 

These eruptions will probably be labeled man-caused....Just wait....The 'scientific' papers will soon be coming out. There will be graphs, statistics, all developed with the help of 'computer modeling.' Are there any government grants available for studying 'man-caused' volcanic eruptions? I'd like to get in on the ground floor...I missed the AGW...err...GW...er...'climate change' taxpayer-funded gravy train.

 

they really believe that Man has caused this global climate change. They refuse to look at the planets history. The ice core samples reveal a constantly changing paradigm with in the history of this ball of dirt.
The atmosphere wasn't fit for man to breath 1 million years ago, but they'll try to find a way to blame us for that too.

 

Wow...

How about keeping such distinctions in mind, and read the AR5!

 

I love denialist logic. Natural forces generate climate change therefore humans have no influence. It's right up there with "well climate changes, it always has."

Perhaps the most remarkable thing about the whole subject is how much time and energy is invested by so many denialists in shamelessly dumbing the topic down to something below "Of course the sun goes around the earth. Anyone can see that," a certainly higher level of thinking as there is actual visual evidence.

 

Been there done that - which part are you referring to?

 

Of they sit around telling each other what the "warmists" will do. They expound on this so much it becomes accepted that outrageous behaviour is the hallmark of their opposition, You can see that here. Next thread will have a dozen people sneering about "warmists think that volcanoes are man made", I mean we see it often enough with the accusations that we are claiming one heat wave is proof of global warming and yet I cannot think of a thread here making that claim

Lots of threads on the opposite though

 

They have to come up with strawmen to keep their game going. Another is warmists have predicted we should all have fried by now or some other imminent disaster. As I said these denialists are shameless. They simply will not engage honestly. And of course when they are corrected by demonstration of the evidence it has no effect. They all seem to draw from the same lying bag over and over. And as you suggest they are very cozy and supportive of each other's silliness..

I think they really belong on a religious site - then they can offer their Genesis type faith.

 

In fact, climate and other Earth scientists are the only ones who are producing the data on the Earth's history. The only ones. To suggest that they refuse to look at it is willful ignorance, but you knew that already. And by the way, if the atmosphere wasn't fit for man to breath a million years ago, we wouldn't be here today. Jeez, do you ever think about this stuff before you post?

 

What I would find intriguing is how these volcanoes affect ocean currents and the turnover process. Just about any weather event can be linked to ocean currents and with the energy the volcanoes add or not add there would have to be some effect. What we do not know about the climate and the ocean is certainly more than we know.

 

not too science, eh?
The earth was uninhabitable for Man 1 million years ago.. We made our appearance just a little over 200,000 years ago. The constant shift of the earths paradigm produced much of what we use and see today. You must remember that the earth has been around for 4.5 billion years and we are merely a spot of bug poo on its windshield of history. How arrogant for some one to believe they are greater than history