Understanding The Republican Right Wing.

I found a very good article that describes the Republican Right Wing. It explains why compete lunatics and frauds like Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann and the like can not only survive and prosper. It's a pity the Republican party has sunk so low, not that the Democrats are any better.

The trouble is that when you have deranged voters, you ultimately get a deranged Government - since they try to placate the voters to appear "bipartisan". This is not good for the country.

They key is to understand that the core of the Republican base are authoritarian lovers. We see these traits displayed often at this website for example the numerous posts and threads excoriating liberals. Mod Edit:No need.

This description fits certain posters perfectly - especially the ones that argue for that the Iraq war was right, Afghanistan was the right war to fight, Iran must be destroyed and the jihadis want to take over the world:

We see this all the time:

Read it all, it is writtten by a Republican and a true patriot, not some toy commentator like Anne Coulter.

Now watch the Ad Hominem attacks start....


http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2012/02/15/35479/#more-35479

 

I wouldn't say that is true. Conservatism in the US started with the election of Ronal Regan. It was over fear of the protests of the 1970's. Other than the religious right wing, who wish to push their religious views on people, I wouldn't say the majority of republicans are like that at all.

 

This coincides with a study of character traits of kids who grew up to be conservatives.

http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2006/03/whiners_grow_up.html

 

Studies like that tend to be nothing but insults on certain political ideologies.

 

I think part of it is that the term "conservative" has become so deeply polluted at this point.

A majority of the more vocal and politically active people that call themselves "conservative" these days are "social conservatives", a completely different breed than the fiscal and legislative conservatives.

These "social conservatives" have absolutely no problem using the government to enforce their beliefs on everybody else and so they tend to be hierarchical, authoritarian and VERY militant. They sometimes even refer to themselves as "libertarian" or "libertarian-leaning" but if you look closer, and it doesn't have to be that much closer, they are exposed as nothing more than fascists in red, white and blue clothing.

 

The problem is that true conservatism has been high jacked by a gang of extremists, religious nutters and racists.
Until conservatives throw these people under the bus and rehabilitate their party, they will be guilty by association.
You can't get in bed with vermin and not be infected with disease.

 

Let the democrats throw out their garbage also. Here's one of their rank spouting off:

“...the total mindless, morally bankrupt, knee-jerk, fascistic hatred — without which Michelle Malkin would just be a big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it.”
— Countdown host Keith Olbermann talking about the conservative columnist and author

 

Kenny:

1. The article was written by a Republican staffer.

2. I am not a member of any political party and in any case I view the Democrats as just as bad as the Republicans.

Neither party is producing good government and the people suffer because of it.


...and I did expect an Ad Hominem, you didn't disappoint

 

Obama just finished shredding our Bill of Rights by signing the NDAA. He's also continued every authoritarian policy installed by Bush Jr.

So yeah, let's talk about authoritarianism, the duopoly of control freaks who occupy both parties.

 

Perfect descriptions of neo-conservatives. Despite the fact that I always say that there is no difference between liberals and neo-conservatives, this article reminds me of one exception to that rule. Neo-cons pretend to love freedom but are paradoxically against it at the time. Liberals are just always completely open all the time about the fact that they hate freedom. They don't hide it. What is more of a threat to liberty? The enemy that you know or the enemy that you don't know? Republicans are wolves in sheep's clothing.

 

One of Saul Alinsky's tactics was to dehumanize, delegitimize, and isolate his opponents. That's what this thread is about.

You folks on the left have a problem. Conservatives are increasingly beyond persuasive and they're not going away. You have to learn to live with the ability of conservatives to fok you up endlessly.

 

LOL Saul Alinsky.

 

Liberals by definition don't "hate freedom".

Please also be aware that exactly what "freedom" consists of has been the subject of debate for about 500 years.

The general concensus is that there is "Freedom From" and "Freedom To" with the rider that ones own freedoms shouldn't encroach on other peoples freedoms.

When those situations crop up, well, thats what we have governments for.

When Mr. Koch, a Republican for example, talks about "freedom", he means that his chemical plants shouldn't be regulated.

When I talk about "freedom" in that context, I mean I shouldn't have to breath the crap his chemical plant emits.

 

LOL Montoya.

 

When leftists talk about freedom they are referring to complete freedom in social matters, limited freedom in religious matters, and circumscribed personal automony and economic liberty.

Leftists are the flip side of social conservatives who believe in complete economic freedom, but not in social matters.

Radical conservatives believe in complete freedom without equivocation.

 

I don't think the average conservative is like that. I think they do stand for something that's important for them. Politicans, on the other hand....

 

Your post doesn't analyze the impact of class. The white middle class has mostly moved into the Republican Party.

There is no going back to an earlier time in history. Political movements evolve.

The reelection of Barack Obama will have profound consequences for the direction in which conservatives decide to go. You will not be happy with the result.

 

There's a difference between the neo-conservatives, who are pseudo-conservatives, and the paleo-conservatives, who are the real conservatives. This article is attacking the false conservatives.

 

Sure. A chemical plant emitting dangerous pollutants into the air violates your property by polluting it. I highly doubt that Mr. Koch is in favor of free-market capitalism however. He is most likely a corporatist

 

This post nailed it. I am more conservative than 95% of the people on this board who call themselves conservatives. The reasons you outlined in your post is why I will never call myself a conservative. The so called conservatives are an embarrassment to all true conservatives.

 

Frodo , for all the good points you bring to your posts , , you do yourself harm and diminish your credibility by making personal attacks . . lol , I'm known to do the same thing myself occasionaly , so I'm not throwing any stones here , just yet .

You made a post personally attacking me in a previous thread . I posted a rebuttal , you have not replied . why is that ? if you don't want to put it on an open forum , send me a pm .

The Republican candidates are not lunatics or idiots . if you disagree , then make a reasonable post explaining why you feel that way .

I have been taken to task many times on PF , it's ok , like I said , I have wide shoulders. . but to just go around and taking cheap shots at your fellow posters and then running away from the fight that you started will get you in trouble , sooner or later .

at least have the courtesy of a rebuttal post to explain yourself .

otherwise , it looks like your trolling & making flamebait attacks.

 

Not really meaningful, since the white middle class is shrinking like an untied balloon. People like you talk about these implacable conservatives ready to give up everything for the cause, but you neglect to mention that people like yourself are dying off through no action by liberals. You're either falling into political and economic irrelevancy, or you're dying of old age.

 

Then there is no such thing as a "free market capitalist", because there has never been a period of time where capitalists have not utilized state power to maintain their own.

 

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