unwise UN visa ban

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  1. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    Yes, in attacking Egypt the Israelis put themselves on the wrong side of the law. Not that that means anything at all to the Zionist mindset.
     
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    Egypt violated the law by massing troops along Israel's border.

    and they violated the law by closing the straits to Israeli traffic.

    and they violated the law by threatening genocide against a member state of the UN.



    no, the Jews will no longer wait till the knife is at their throat, to defend themselves.
     
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    They didn't start a war. Israel did.
     
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    Really, and which law would that be? FYI, they massed their troops on the border after receiving false information about a possible attack by Israel.

    You mean the Eilat port, through which only 5% of Israeli shipping passed; and the port through which no Israeli-flagged ship passed in 2 years?

    Why did Israel attack Egypt and Syria, instead of finding a diplomatic solution to the situation?


    And which law would that be?

    Question; assuming Egypt committed Acts of War, why did Israel attack Syria?


    Uh-huh.

    ~Begin

    The reality is that both the US and Israel knew Nasser had no intention of attacking Israel.
     
  5. Face. Your

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    I hereby nominate the head of the U.S. delegation to the U.N. regarding Iran as any leading member of the MEK willing and able to represent freedom in Iran. As to the Mullahs, have you seen the 300 spartans part 2? And now they're pissed edition?

    lol
     
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    [video=youtube;T6aK4CigoyI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6aK4CigoyI[/video]

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    bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    The Egyptians announced that their intention was to destroy Israel.

    And Jordan attacked Israel even though Israel urged them not to.
     
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    Terrorist has become to broadly defined, i.e. Senator Reid's incompetent remarks about protestors in Nevada. The US should dissolve its relationship with the UN immediately if not sooner. They have become a dead weight around our necks and as a world political organization they have, are, and will always fail.
     
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    FACT: The Syrians started the northern conflict of the Six-Day War.

    FACT: The Jordanians started the West Bank conflict of the Six-Day War.

    Both nations started their attacks because they falsely believed that Egypt was winning against Israel in the south.


    FACT: Egypt violated the 1949 Armistice by putting more than 100,000 soldiers, many tanks and other artillery in the Sinai. They also violated the Armistice by kicking out the Sinai peacekeepers.
     
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    The thing that needs to be added here is that Obama and his progressive leftist minions oppose America as well. It's that pesky domestic enemy thing that Obama swore to defend us against in his oath of office. But how does one admit he is an enemy and then defend us against himself? Conundrum.
     
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    US and Israeli intelligence disagree with you.

    When Nasser said he was going to push the Jews into the sea, he was speaking in Arabic, not English.

    Yes, because Jordan was pressured to join the fight by the Arabs.

    - - - Updated - - -

    How 'bout you tackle my arguments instead of merely repeating your claims. This is how debate works, after all.
     
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    I'm reporting that negative tactic as trolling. Some of it is harrassment, both barred under Rules 4 and 5.
     
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    Obama is the Commander in Chief, who uses a kill list and the CIA/SOG which answers to him only, to kill people of all colors.
     
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    It's no secret that Obama gives the order to murder foreigners on advice. The doorway to the Oval Office has become a gateway to hell.
     
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    flyboy56, moon, et al,

    Teach me something here!

    (QUESTIONS)

    • Just where do you get this information?
      • slaughter black people - kill people of all colors
      • kill list
      • CIA/SOG
    • How is this even a remotely credible commentary?
    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
  16. moon

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    Obama's killing of foreigners by remote-controlled drone is no secret. What are you questioning ?
     
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    Goomba, et al,

    An opposing view:

    (COMMENT)

    First, I think (maybe not) you are referring to the Address of Gamal Nasser to the Arab Trade Unionists of 26 May 1967. Whatever language it was expressed in makes no difference. It is the content that counts.

    Second, US Intelligence neither agreed nor disagreed. The Israeli attack was not (repeat) not - a surprise attack, no matter what anyone says. The Egyptian were going to attack, and they wanted the Israelis to jump first, as to give President Nasser political cover. President Nasser was expecting to win the battle, not lose. But no matter what anyone says, the Egyptians knew in advance, a fight was coming:


    US Intelligence knew quite well the intentions of the Egyptian Commander and the purpose for directing the United Nations Emergency Force - Sinai (UNEF-S)(Indian, Norwegian and Swedish contingents) to vacate the field; 15 days before the outbreak of hostilities (5 June 67). Everyone knew, within a matter of hours, thereafter.

    (COMMENT)

    IMO, this is absolutely inaccurate. The strategy was to taunt the Israeli forces into a conflict so that the Egyptians could claim Israel attacked first. This was directly observed by the CG, UNEF-S, and noted in his report to the Secretary General:

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
  18. moon

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    That's clearly untrue- or the Egyptians would never have experienced having their airforce attacked on the ground.
     
  19. Ronstar

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    Egypt started the war with their illegal acts.

    1. they kicked out the UN peacekeepers in Sinai.

    2. they violated the 1949 Armistice Agreement by more than 100,000 soldiers along the Israel border in the Sinai, plus tons of tanks and artilery.



    ....nevermind the fact that Syria started the conflict with Israel, and Jordan started the conflict with Israel.

    If Syria and Jordan didn't start hostilities, the West Bank would still belong to Jordan and the Golan would still belong to Syria.
     
  20. moon

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    All the authoritative records show that Israel launched a surprise attack on the Egyptians. Let me know when you've succeeded in having them altered.
     
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    Egypt kicked out the UN Peacekeepers in the Sinai. This was an illegal act.

    Egypt then mobilized more than 100,000 soldiers and many tanks and artillery in Sinai, right by the Israel border. This was an illegal act a clear prelude to war.

    What were the Jews supposed to do, sit on their thumbs?

    Meanwhile, it is SYRIA who started the northern war and JORDAN that started the eastern war.
     
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    Do you live in a cave? Do you not know the CIA Director works for the President and that the Special Operations Group does the ground work (Killings) after getting CIA intel? Drone attacks are also ran by the CIA and SOG as directed by the president. You might want to inform yourself regarding this peace loving president who ended the conventional wars but has expanded the covert wars to up to 75 countries.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/w...p-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
     
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    flyboy56, et al,

    Everybody in the Executive Branch of the Federal Government technically works at the pleasure of The President. Having said that, not everyone reports to The President.

    (COMMENT)

    A couple points need to be made here.

    • The Director of National Intelligence (DNI) is General James R. Clapper (US Air Force Retired) who leads the United States Intelligence Community and serves as the principal intelligence advisor to the President.
    • The term "Special Operations Group" (SOG) is a generic term used by various military and law enforcement activities at nearly every level of government. However, the CIA does not have a SOG. At the federal level, the United States Special Operations "Command" (USSOCOM) is what I think you mean. Congress mandated Special Operations Forces (SOF) to carry out assigned missions and, if directed by the president or secretary of defense (SECDEF), to plan for and conduct special operations. Admiral William H. McRaven, is the Commander of USSOCOM and reports to the Secretary of Defense (not The President and not the D/CIA).
    • Overseas, the leadership and management of operations that you elude to would fall under the preview of the "Country Team" with is invariably headed by the Ambassador to the nation in question. The Ambassador is a representative of The President and reports to the Secretary of State.
    • Rarely does The President speak directly to Intelligence Community or USSOCOM assets and resources in the field relative to operations. Orders issued by The President are relayed through appropriate channels to the element in question. Such communiques are annotated "DP" (meaning "By Direction of The President) when appropriate, through collateral and compartmented channels.
    Whether or not there is such a thing as a "kill list" is a pure matter of speculation.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     

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