US govt lies about 825 Billion Dollars to be spent this year

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Does the govt lie significantly harm the country?

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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Spot the lie, do you think it matters?

    Defense Spending top 10 countries.jpg
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The question I didn't think of is which lie?

    1 The really big one that it does anything significant to defend the country
    2 The other lie that 825 billion dollars will be the actual total
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another way the govt steals money is pretending money spent on
    illegal immigrants isn't huge and growing.

    Newsweek:
    An ongoing border crisis that saw 5,000 illegal aliens being released into the United States per day in December of last year is a microcosm of a much larger issue as President Joe Biden aims to recapture the White House in a crucial election year.

    The issue is a $150.7 billion one, shared between federal and state governments, and that's just one year.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another is that money spent on big pharma and on healthcare through
    the health insurance industry is somehow a good thing.

    Find the US on the graph of life expectancy and explain.

    Cost runs off to the right, life expectancy is the vertical axis

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    I spot the lie - it's in your signature:

    Ukraine is at war not because it showed weakness but because it threatened Russia (poked the bear) with 680,000 soldiers and NATO weapons.

    Ukraine is at war because the revanchist war monger in the Kremlin invaded it....twice.

    Why did Putin invade Ukraine?

    To seize the naval base at Sevastopol, the surrounding Crimean Peninsula and a land bridge to western Russia. The incessant war mongering also serves to keep the Russian people distracted from the deprivation of their human, civil and political rights, which serves their dictator's interest.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On cost the US is number one among large nations, number 48th on
    life expectancy.

    So where does the money go?
    The maze of health insurance. Even the government health insurance
    after going through the government maze then has to be bought from
    the market place and goes through the private sector complexities as
    well.

    Half the cost of US health care goes on health insurance profits,
    and the enormous complexity of the billing processes.

    Here in New Mexico the health insurance companies can change
    their mind on coverage up to 7 years later. I recently got billed for
    two visits 2 years ago, which had originally been paid, then refused.

    AM I on a bash the US thread?
    No, I just paid my income tax and am thinking about where it goes.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you flying your flag upside down?
    - or does it just look like that?
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a thread in Opinion POLLS called 'A Problem with Opinions'
    on the topic of why people hold different opinions.
     
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    Your eyes don't deceive you - the flag is upside down.

    According to the U.S. flag code, flying the flag upside down serves as "a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property", in our case, the danger posed by Biden & Co.'s assault on our Constitution, individual rights, the rule of law and our democratic institutions and norms.

    https://www.legion.org/flag/code

    In many respects, the fascists in the Democratic Party are trying to turn the United States into Putin's Russia - a one-party dictatorship.
     
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    Perhaps a shorter list/more simple question for the purposes of your survey would be when was the last time the federal government told the truth about anything?
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm on board with you on that, though with a variation - that
    the nation which lied constantly, as described in detail by
    Solzhenitsyn was the USSR. I'm not onboard the Putin
    bashing brigade because I have evaluated the alternatives
    and though some of those are better for the US, they are
    not better for Russia, nor even acceptable to the Russian
    population.
     
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    Why should the U.S. disclose what it is spending on defense? I would prefer we didn't. In fact, I'd prefer if we just said 0.00.
     
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    The might be a more accurate figure, because politicians lie about their lies.

    The Posse Comitatus Act (PCA) forbids the military, which is supported by
    the Defense Budget, in the Department of Defense, from directly defending
    the country on the Southwestern border, or as far as I know, in any way
    directly.
     
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    Posse Comitatus was rendered null and void by Reagan's bringing the military into the drug war, and again with the Branch Davidian Waco fiasco.
     
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    The military can be used in illegal ways but obviously only for evil causes,
    because people wanting to save the country would not be willing do it in
    an illegal way, so

    it just won't be done at all.
     
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    I didn't see anything claiming that the purpose of our military is to protects the nation. Nevertheless we all know that the purpose of our military since WWII has been to defend other countries. As an Army draftee in the 1960's I was involved in defending someone else's country. It didn't make sense then and it still doesn't. Watch China. They do it right. They gain international power surreptitiously without resorting to arms. No wonder they don't need a defense budget as large as ours. Pay attention, Washington. The Chinese are smarter than you are.
     
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    the food pyramid and high carb processed foods and seed oils, may be cheap food, but the price is paid later in higher health care costs
     
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    What is unhealthy about the food pyramid? The answer is nothing. A well balanced diet is the healthiest diet. Overeating is not cheap and unhealthy.
     
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    carbs are the main thing they tell you to eat, mostly grains, not good, this led to people thinking high carb processed foods and seed oils were healthy for you
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    The profit margin for insurance companies is less than 5%. That's not where the cost is. It's in the government maze and billing costs, as you said, but mostly in provider costs. Costs for giving everyone a bunch of plastic crap that could be cleaned and reused, unneeded tests to avoid malpractice suits, freeloaders, elevated drug prices to make up for lower 3rd world country prices, etc.
     
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    They are important for a healthy diet. Calling them bad is a recent fad thanks to people selling weight loss programs. Obesity is caused by overeating, not by eating carbohydrates. You can gain weight by overeating proteins. The best and healthiest way to lose weight is to control portions. I control weight by controlling how much I eat, not what I eat. I have been seriously overweight. I no longer am. I have a 33" waist. I have some great home made blueberry muffins in the freezer with lots of carbohydrates. I think I'll defrost one and eat half of it.
     
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    Excessive carbs are bad..... especially over long periods of time... the dose makes the poison

    the best way to lose weight is to reduce insulin and calories.... insulin is the fat storage hormone, you can't burn fat with high insulin

    before processed food and seed oils, most people ate a natural diet... meat, vegetables and potatoes, they did not eat more carbs than the body could handle over long long periods of time, the body can only store so much Glycogen, now people eat excessive amounts of carbs and seed oils every day
     
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    The defense budget has run out of gas and we will see a decline in production of next gen weapons. The 2025 budget will only be used to support the current weapons. 19 ships are scheduled for replacement next year while only 6 ships will be the replacements. That is a decline in military power.
     
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    not sure, AI drones and such will improve for sure
     
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    Reducing calories to a level below what the metabolism burns is the only way to lose weight. The conflict is how one reduces the calories. Doctors tell me to eat a balanced diet and control portions. Personally I lost 80 lbs doing that. It wasn't fast. It was slow and steady. Healthy weight loss.
     

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