US Mainstream Media is lying about Bolivian Coup, and will lie about the 2020 election winner.

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  1. ButterBalls

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    I think the poster is seeking Martyr to provide human shields for people that sat idly by while corruption took the high ground and now threatens to kill them all.. Socialism, aint grand??
     
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    SO? Did he perform the task you were wondering about here on PF?
     
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    Looks like this poster called it right off the bat :)

     
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  4. US Conservative

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    They are commies until they are getting beat down and then they are "Catholics".
     
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  5. Iron_Merc

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    Im surprised, I thought you would have gone with Jeremiah Wright since you were probably all in for Obama and his patriotic roots.

    Amitav Ghosh is not a Christian minister. "Im not religious" is a direct quote
     
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    Well, from experience a lot of these types of posts are geared towards sensationalism targeting sensitive matters and casting blame on specific targets, in this case religion(s) while completely ignoring the real people committing the atrocities..

    Pretty obvious!
     
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    At least Pinochet gave out free flying lessons.
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    YOU FUNNY :)
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I must commend your attempt to look outside the media narrative. Liars they are indeed.

    As to what you've come up with instead...

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    tbc- I always respect the attempt to look outside the box. So :beer:!!
     
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  10. Kyklos

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    Right. Ghosh is not a Christian minister. I never said he was. Chris Hedges is a Christian minister. Here is his best sermons in my opinion. You didn't see that coming.


     
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  11. kazenatsu

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    Wait, what? You're claiming the Catholic Church is somehow involved here?
    Or are you talking about Bolivian people who are more on the white side?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I commend your attempt too, but question whether the narrative you understand is any more accurate than that of the media.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, maybe we should stop depending on them for that.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Question: If "Christian fascists" anywhere in the world were oppressing people, why would the Left-wing media cover it up?

    Are you claiming the mainstream media is not truly Left-wing? Or is there some sort of conspiracy?

    Something is not making sense with your logic.
     
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    Anyone who is astute knows the role of msm in coverage of Bolivia . They parrot CIA and state dept lies and foreign policy propaganda.

    More factual info has to be gleaned from other info sources .

    The elites want control of Bolivia and her resorces to line their own pockets of national resources that could help out their non elites .

    Bolivia has lithium needed for batteries. Their elites want the money from the peoples resources.

    We want to help their elites out. And western corporations and banks. So we get the ruler who will allow this and here comes the IMF who loans money that they know can never be paid back for it is a scheme that sells out their people as the banks take natural resources and services . As will happen in Ukraine with their bread basket rich farmland

    Msm has never had john perkins on to reveal how greedy elites can use our CIA to rape other nations and rob their people .

    PPerkins pulled back the curtain in Confessions of an Economi Hit Man to educate America fools and dupes.

    For msm works for the unelected parts of govt. And tells you what that govt wants you to believe.
     
  16. Kyklos

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    Today's American Christian Fascism is recycling Hilter's Propaganda

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    Mass meeting of the German Christian Movement. A radical wing of German Lutheranism and the main Protestant branch supporting Nazi ideology, the German Christian Movement reconciled Christian doctrine with German nationalism and antisemitism.

    Megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress would vote for Trump over Jesus: The Bible calls for a ‘strongman

    American Christianity is following the Nazi script without deviation. It's time for Jesus to "Cowboy up" and stop being a "bearded lady."

    It’s Time To Man Up You Girly Christian Men! describes the history of Muscular Christianity. Brad Stine, founder of GodMen, refers to the "masculine" Christ that drove the money changers from the temple and wanting to emphasize this concept of Christ. Adolf Hitler also used that concept of Christ when he campaigned in Germany.

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    Morales is a race hustling socialist, and very chummy with Cuba and Venezuela. Good riddance.
     
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    "Privately, Hitler repeatedly deprecated Christianity, and told confidants that his reluctance to make public attacks on the Church was not a matter of principle, but a pragmatic political move.[18] In his private diaries, Goebbels wrote in April 1941 that though Hitler was "a fierce opponent" of the Vatican and Christianity, "he forbids me to leave the church. For tactical reasons."[19] Hitler's remarks to confidants, as described in the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and transcripts of Hitler's private conversations recorded by Martin Bormann in Hitler's Table Talk, are further evidence of his irreligious and anti-Christian beliefs;[1] these sources record a number of private remarks in which Hitler ridicules Christian doctrine as absurd, contrary to scientific advancement, and socially destructive.[1][20]

    Once in office, Hitler and his regime sought to reduce the influence of Christianity on society.[21] From the mid-1930s, his government was increasingly dominated by militant anti-church proponents like Goebbels, Bormann, Himmler, Rosenberg and Heydrich whom Hitler appointed to key posts.[22] These anti-church radicals were generally permitted or encouraged to perpetrate the Nazi persecutions of the churches.[23] The regime launched an effort toward coordination of German Protestants under a unified Protestant Reich Church (but this was resisted by the Confessing Church), and moved early to eliminate political Catholicism.[24] Hitler agreed to the Reich concordat with the Vatican, but then routinely ignored it, and permitted persecutions of the Catholic Church.[25] Smaller religious minorities faced harsher repression, with the Jews of Germany expelled for extermination on the grounds of Nazi racial ideology. Jehovah's Witnesses were ruthlessly persecuted for refusing both military service and allegiance to Hitler's movement. Hitler said he anticipated a coming collapse of Christianity in the wake of scientific advances, and that Nazism and religion could not co-exist long term.[1] Although he was prepared to delay conflicts for political reasons, historians conclude that he ultimately intended the destruction of Christianity in Germany, or at least its distortion or subjugation to a Nazi outlook."

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    That's a funny kind of Christian.
     
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    When "communists" is just a catch-all term for people you don't like, kind of like what "socialists" has become, there are no real rules.
     
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    Common misconception on the left is that Hitler and the Nazis where some kind of far right "fascist" movement, and this couldnt be farther from the truth. Hitler was a left wing socialist. A liberal left wing Socialist. And fascism is purely a left wing ideology.

    Hitler despised religion, he was a god hating man who wanted nothing to do with Christianity. Moreover, to show you Hitlers "christian" morals is to show you his drug addiction and his hatred for Jews. Anyone "truly embracing" the pillars of Christianity wouldn't be butchering jews by the millions or consuming drugs on a daily basis. After all, Jesus was Jew. No, as Christian, you love the jews, you dont hate them.

    As I said its a common misconception that hitler was some alt right or far right fascist group, when in reality, Hitler was a far left, liberal socialist who wanted nothing more than to exterminate the entire Jewish population from the face of the earth.

    It was actually America, a Christian nation, that did the complete opposite, ended WW2 and created the nation of Israel for the Jews specifically BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN TREATED SO HORRIBLY BY GODLESS HEATHEN LIKE HITLER!

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    Hitler was a left winger. All authoritarians are.
     
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    …that’s funny, I thought Henry Ford was a capitalist.


    A very popular argument by the Right is say that the Nazis were Leftwing, when in fact they were Rightwing in both Germany and the United States.

    The Nazis were pro-Christian, anti-communist, certainly anti-Marxist, imprisoned atheist and labor leaders--that sounds right-wing to me! So since the Nazis embraced the Catholic Church (and the Church embraced Hitler), should we call Christianity fascist? And why did the Nazis view "liberals" as their enemy?

    In America, German Fascism dazzled many American leaders of capitalist industry. They were William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Kennedy(JFK’s father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon (head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Henry Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the CIA), Prescott Bush (don’t forget him), National City Bank, and General Electric.
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    Charles Lindberg with Nazi officials.​


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    In October 1938, Lindbergh was presented by Goering, on behalf of the Fuehrer, the Service Cross of the German Eagle for his contributions to aviation.​

    GM and Ford built nearly 90% of the armored 3-ton half-trucks and 70% of the Nazi medium and heavy-duty trucks used in WWII. Greame K. Howard, Vice President of General Motors, wrote and published “American and a New World Order” and argued that America should cooperate with the Nazis.

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    Hearst with Nazi officers...bunch of good ol' boys.​

    The Du Ponts financed the Black Legion that was an American Nazi group that used violence against unions and was connected to the Ku Klux Klan.

    Williams Randolph Hearst was a real fan of the Nazi party. Remember those magazine pictures of Hilter’s retreat in Germany. Did you ever wonder how Better Homes and Gardens magazine got those pictures for the 1938 article? Hearst and Hilter were friends!

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    Thomas J. Watson and the Hollerith number tattoos put on Nazi death camp prisoners.​

    And this is the worst of all. Thomas J. Watson, the head executive of IBM, leased data sorting computers using IBM's Hollerith punch card technology in 1933 to the Nazis enabling them to identify, find, and collect the victims of the Holocaust. Those numbers tattooed on the Jewish prisoners were of the Hollerith numbering system. Adolph Hitler awarded Watson a medal for his contribution!

    Yes, American business was doing its part in supporting Hitler. There is more....a lot more.
     
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    Yeah, nothing screams Austrian School libertarian quite like National Socialist German Workers' Party. :lol:

    What you say is absolutely true, of course. The name of the Nazi party is no mistake or coincidence and Hitler and his cronies were open about being socialists. Furthermore, as F.A. Hayek pointed out in Chapter 12 of The Road to Serfdom, "The Socialist Roots of Nazism":

    "It is significant that the most important ancestors of National Socialism [Johann Gottlieb] Fricht, [Johann Karl] Rodbertus and {Fredinand] Lassalle - are at the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism."

    Same thing for the fascists in Italy. This comes straight from Benito Mussolini and his manifesto The Doctrine of Fascism:

    "...in the great river of Fascism one can trace currents which had their source in Sorel, Peguy, Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists..."

    While ignorant and dishonest socialists and communists would have us believe that there is only one form of socialism, there actually have been many different forms of it over the years, and National Socialism is one of them. The only major difference between the Nazis and more "conventional" socialists was that Hitler & Co. realized that de facto government control was just as effective as the direct government control that "conventional" socialists proposed. Either way, the government exercises control over the life of the nation.

    Again, Mussolini:

    "Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State...The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people."

    Clearly, the fascist emphasis on anti-individualism and State control is what characterizes fascists as socialists, collectivists and Leftists.

    Furthermore, labeling Nazis "right-wing" merely on account of their nationalism, racism and anti-semitism doesn't differentiate them from many of their "progressive" fellow travelers, past and present.

    I could go on, but I would be merely belaboring the point...
     
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    From the sounds of things, there is a lot of crap to go around in this.

    The ousted President was evidently someone who instituted a lot of progressive reforms and did a lot of good stuff.

    Until it was time for his constitutionally directed term limit to end (that he himself wrote and instituted). At which point he tried to stay, then tried to re-run.

    The military then stepped in and a coup occurred and now the Govt is being run by an anti-indigenous (did I mention that the previous President was Indigenous?)
    And here we are today
     

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