US no longer a democracy study finds

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  1. boca

    boca New Member

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    The US was never a democracy. Democracy is mob rule. We are a Republic - Rule of Law.
     
  2. Molly David

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    Its only American Democratic leaders that think US is the world's greatest democracy. According to an Economist pole US is rated #17 and Norway #1. So why are we fooling ourselves and the world yet again?
     
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    Some might say it may be the Rule of Laws created by the 1% ers to control the Democratic Mob. Laws only work if they are enforced and good Law only works if it is fair law and both sides can afford to bring cases against the other for genuine misdeeds. What is fair about a system that favors those with money.
     
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    It's not the system but, rather the people elected to oversee the system. They twist, misinterpret and change it into unrecognizable forms. They get away with it only because we let them. We are THEIR boss, not the other way around. Now if only we had the bells to give them a painfully good reminder. But we won't. We'll just continue to let them get away with the evil they do. I mean, they do it in our faces and we do nothing about it.
     
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    If this were really true, why is it still happening. Because money pays the piper to call the tune they want yo hear.
     
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    It is still happening because we let it. We're not holding their feet to the fire. Yes, money as well as power has a lot to do with it. The more money and power they get the more evil their deeds become. It won't stop until we stop them. Until then, they will continue.

    I love what the Icelanders did with their corrupt government. The People cleaned house and put the perpetrators in prison, most who went on the run but were caught. They formed a new government and drafted a new constitution. Their government was full of the cancer of corruption doing the same lawlessness the US government is doing now. Well, the Icelandic People had enough of the shenanigans and put a stop to it. All without shedding a drop of blood.
     
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    If only! But then the Icelanders have a different democratic system, don't they. It must be less influenced by money and power and more by the people.
     
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    It was the government corruption of money and power that the Icelanders got rid of. Same thing happened in the Middle East so, it doesn't matter the system. Look what happened to Muammar Gaddafi, the violently deposed leader of Libya who died on 20 October 2011 during the Battle of Sirte. The people outright killed him and dragged his body through the street for all to see. When the people stand together and say "ENOUGH!", things change. And until the American People stop putting up with the nonsense this lawless government commits on the people, things will continue to remain the same and get worse. Now the US government wants to foist Common Core on our children and we must not let them do that. Governor Jindal of Louisiana is suing the government about Common Core which is government takeover of our educational system. They've already practically destroyed our health insurance industry, our military and anything else we just stand by and let this administration destroy.
     
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    Now here's a thought. Over 200 years ago we declared independence from what was perceived as a country dominated by a King and a people who took our money and dictated our politics. In subsequent years 1000's of people emigrated here to save themselves from poverty and look for opportunity. Some of those people created dynasties which now behave llike the powers that they left.

    We are recreating here in USA all those power politics that our ancestors thought they had left behind. We have minority powers that are dictating policy to 'we the people' in ways which seem similar to those dictats which Britain was accused of over 200 years ago. I.e you must work and pay taxes to and for us the 1%ers and we will pay no taxes. It is your job to keep us in the way we have become accustomed. Isn't that how British upper classes viewed those who they perceived as classes below them, including colonies such as USA? Just thinking and sharing.
     
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    Absolutely agree. The minority you mentioned is the "democratic mob rule" who after being elected make rules for us that they exempt themselves from, telling us what we can and cannot do while they freely spend our money. My, how big their pants get once they get in office. We don't have to put up with it but, they're big bullies, everybody's scared of them. That's how they get away with breaking our laws right in our face and nothing happens.

    Our Constitution says if our government becomes tyrannical, We The People have the right to dismantle that government and build another of the people, for the people and by the people. Problem is we're scared of them when they should be scared of us.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what idiots at MSNBC
    the Untied States was never been a democracy it has always been a Constitutional Republic
    what a fail thread
    I advice you to never post anything from MSNBC they will make you look like a fool
     
  12. Molly David

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    So what are we going to do about it then and how do we elect who we want rather than who 'they want'?
     
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    We need to research candidates and go by what they do and not what they say which, we know are two different things. Know where they stand on the issues and how they voted. Secondly, we must demand they are properly vetted and constitutionally eligible. NO sealed records allowed. And thirdly, I'm all for Voter ID. We need ID for everything else so why not need to prove voter eligibility and that one MUST be a US citizen to vote one's conscience.
     
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    Sounds like a good democratic start, but will it produce change. I am not so sure.
     
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    i'll have to agree with that. However, I feel that while corruption has always and will always exist, I also feel that it's something that is increasing in our country. Checks and balances don't work when all three branches are corrupted. For decades the judicial has been our stop gap, keeping corrupt politicans and their corporate backers from going through with the most egregious violations of the constitution. That's gone now with the Roberts court. It's official money has won, it's no longer a contest. Our only hope in the states is getting involved in direct democracy with state politics such is in my state of California with our prop system and hopefully getting states to overturn citizens United via a constitutional amendment.
     

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