US posts largest budget deficit on record in February

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And the sun will rise tomorrow .. what does the above have to do with my the fact that Mueller was given special powers - above that which are normally allowed ?
     
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    An ethical dilemma? As an officer of a federal department, it could be considered unethical for that officer to pursue anything beyond that authorized by our federal Constitution.
     
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    I do not think it is necessarily unethical to violating some civil liberties - for a short period of time - under extreme circumstances. Say for example a declaration of Martial Law in the case of a civil revolt.

    The justification for the special powers given to Mueller was "Grave Threat to National Security". While I deny that the so called "Russian Meddling" met this bar - let us suppose that it did.

    Better yet - let us use a clear example of "Grave Threat". Suppose there was some group that had managed to get a dirty nuke into this country.

    I think that in this case - the investigators should be able to tap phones, conduct what would otherwise be illegal searches, engage in arbitrary detainment ... and so on.

    Now suppose some roadblock is set up - on the assumption that the bad guys are moving the bomb from one place to another. Every vehicle is then pulled over and the people questioned and the vehicles searched.

    During this procedure the investigators uncover crimes that are unrelated to the "grave threat" . One fellow has a broken tail light, another does not have valid insurance.

    Is it legitimate to charge these people - despite the fact that the these were not the crimes for which the violation of civil liberties was authorized ?
     
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    Maybe you should complain to the people who control spending or something.
     
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    Yeah this was the link to the first photo: https://cdn.cnsnews.com/totalconstant.jpg

    So you pretending that was my source is even less semi-intelligent.

    Sure it will. Scry harder.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe you should go fly a kite :)
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe you should go back to the OP and see where they're trying to blame Trump for the deficit.

    There is no logic to be had in this thread.
     
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    Our Constitution and supreme law of the land expressly declares how Congress may legislate Regime Change in a Constitutional manner.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would Trump not be blamed - at least in part for the deficit ? It is not like congress can spend without Trump signing off on it and some of Trumps policies were part of the big deficit.

    Regardless - Red Congress shoulders most of the blame.
     
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    True - it is also true that the moon is not made of green cheese. Neither however has anything to do with my post.
     
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    Why does the right wing allege to subscribe to Capitalism if all they seem to know how to do is lose money with our Commerce Clause.
     
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    I can agree to across the board cuts in the federal budget as long as every dept suffers the same percentage of real cuts

    And that should start by releasing all the non essential personal who got a paid vacation during the last shutdown

    Tax breaks for corporations?

    If the new standard is no deductions for corps or individual for any reason then sign me up

    Allowing the swamp rats in congress to write the tax code is a recipe for corruption

    China imports?

    With the communist dictatorship there is no such thing as a free market
     
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    Call bridges and fire departments socialism is ypu like

    That does not give you a blank check to pay every lazy welfare bum who wants a handout
     
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    The “common defense” does not mean giving everyone their own aircraft carrier or nuclear attack submarine as libs are trying to define the general welfare
     
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    No wonder you don't know what your talking about. We buy you books and you only look at the pictures.

    Although the total federal taxes collected this October set a record, the individual income taxes that the federal government collected in October did not set a record. This October, the Treasury collected $128,866,000,000 in individual income taxes. In October 2017, the Treasury collected $131,056,520,000 (in constant October 2018 dollars).
     
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    Oh no.

    The government collected record taxes.

    One sub-section of the taxes weren't record setting.

    It's like magic or something.
     
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    Well that would be because the only option is another government shutdown.

    Would you like another one?

    The fault lies in those putting the budget together, and yes, Congress can override him if he doesn't sign it.

    Congress has the final say on the budget.

    But please, continue to pretend this is a new problem.

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    So arbitrary cuts across the board. That seems to be a rather ham handed approach that doesn't take into account the role of every department and program. Some are far more important than others.

    Cutting non=essential personnel? What constitutes non-essential? Coast Guard? Park Rangers? IRS tax filing processors? I'm sure ICE and the rest of Homeland will welcome that move.

    No tax? Brilliant strategy. I mean why should citizens actually contribute to the common good. I get you are perturbed that nobody's asked you to re-write the tax code. OTOH, seems your dear leader made out like bandit with the last round of tax cuts.

    It appears you are advocating for a protectionist American market because.... commies!

    Can't say too little about your recipe of making america great again.
     
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    What do you mean "if I like" - Don't blame me for your inability to figure out what wealth redistribution is ... nor does it give you some blank check to redefine the definition of what wealth redistribution is .. nor the ability to choose how that stolen wealth gets used.
     
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    Why are you talking nonsense ? Who said this was a New Problem and what part of "Trumps policies were part of what caused the deficit" did you not understand ?
     
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    Which of Trump's policies spend 2/3'ds of our budget on welfare, and 1/3rd to run everything else?

    I love how the people pushing the 100 trillion "green new deal" and millions of illegals pouring in policies want to lecture us about being financially responsible.
     
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    Its not the best way in a perfect world

    But its the only way in the bitterly divided society that we have become

    No partisan will ever agree to more cuts for his cause than the enemy partisan is taking for his
     
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    You really are clueless arent you?

    The Coast Guard was essential and forced to work (serve) without pay

    As for the others, I cant name them all, but when the ax man cometh they will know who they are
     
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    Non-essential simply means if they're not working, people could die.

    That's all it means.

    Look under your chair! Free college! Free housing! Free medical!

    Let's send out 8 billion absentee ballots so everyone can vote in the US!
     

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