US posts largest budget deficit on record in February

I think wealth redistribution is a ham handed liberal attempt at fairness

They look at slums filled with fatherless welfare bums having more children and cashing in subsidies and think they just need to give away more money

Thsts not socialism

It liberal insanity

 

Dont forget a few billion to teach african men how to clean their penis

If we dont include that obama will never forgive us

 

Yeah. Magic.
Kind of like ignoring 6 months under the old system including April receipts.
Or maybe like ignoring inflation or including tariffs and other non related taxes.
Yep. Magic!

 

nobody but the disingenuous right wing claims they did.

promoting and providing for the general welfare not the general warfare means finding market friendly solutions under our form of Capitalism.

 

They complain about socialism then turn around and complain about capitalism.
Hard to understand what they want.

 

I don't even think the GND is popular in the Dem party - but this has nothing to do with this discusion.

2/3rds of the budget is not spent on welfare ... that is a nonsensical crock of scat. Nor does you asking a dumb question change the fact that Trump's policies called for massive budget increases.

 

Wealth redistribution is what it is - it is taking money from someone and spending it on the "collective" - be it food stamps, building roads, or building a new aircraft carrier.

As with most things - this is not a "black vs white" "Good vs Evil" issue. There are some good aspects of wealth redistribution - some of which you love - and some bad aspects - some of which you hate.

I agree with you that in many instances some of the money collected through taxes is spent by liberals on stupid stuff.

What is also true is that the Red Establishment are the biggest wealth redistributors - and that is the demonstrable fact.

What is also true is that the claim that wealth redistribution is not a main pillar of Socialism - is 100% uninformed abject falsehood.

Since you are not 100% uninformed - why are trying to gainsay this fact.? Do I seriously need to start posting from Marx to refute nonsense claims akin to claiming the moon is made of green cheese. Come on.

 

“Market friendly” such as putting a gun to the heads of people with more and taking their money so you can give it to someone else is not a very friendly idea

 

By the textbook socialism does not redistribute the wealth but rather claim all the wealth for government which will then distribute it according to what the pinhead elites decide is needed

 

Did you actually read what you just wrote ? You make a claim "Socialism does not redistribute wealth" - then go on to define socialism as wealth redistribution .. Where the Gov't takes all the money and "distributes" it.

Please stop talking - you have reached the limit of mind bending irrationality, self delusion and denial.

 

If the state owns all the wealth to begin with then its not redistribuing it but rather distributing it

Thats the classic marxist model

What quasi socialists in this country are doing is the fascist model of private ownership but government redistribution of the wealth

 

The right wing believes we can finance their non-free stuff forever.

 

So does the left

 

providing for the general welfare can be market friendly; providing for the general warfare cannot.

 

You are just chanting slogans now

 

We have a Commerce Clause not a general warfare clause.

 

More mindless chanting

 

yet, you whine about the cost of our general welfare but not the extra-Constitutional, general warfare.

 

If you want to argue that not every war America has fought was a good idea you might fibd some agreement on the forum

But your generalized attack on national defense is absurd

 

lol. Our welfare clause is General. Our defense clause is not.

 

What a bunch of semantic ridiculous nonsense. It is not like the State has come by ownership/ wealth honestly. It takes that wealth from the citizens. Good grief what a pathetic argument.

In addition. Even if one was to accept your ridiculously attempt at an argument - on the basis of weaseling out of taking responsibility for another bad argument - your argument still fails.

If wealth redistribution is not socialism - as you claim - then quit calling the Gov't taking money via taxation - and giving it to the poor "Socialism" - and quit calling the Dem's Socialist as wealth redistribution does not meet your own definition of Socialism.

Either way your argument is lost.

 

we can't have any national security concerns under truer Capitalism simply Because the right wing refuses to acknowledge them as such in a market recognizable manner under our form of Capitalism.

The Right Wing must be frivolous and wasting the Peoples' tax monies; by being unwilling to pay wartime tax rates for their alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror. Only our welfare clause is General; our defense clause resorts to the common law for the common defense.

 

Yeah it's not popular thats why all of the Dem 2020 candidates keep talking about implementing it.

2/3 of the budget is handout programs.

Where were the budget increases:

http://fortune.com/2019/03/11/trump-2020-budget-proposal/

Which of these would you like to cut?

Beyond military and security spending, Trump included in the budget funding for efforts to combat the opioid crisis, a 10% increase in health care spending for veterans, $200 billion in infrastructure spending, spending to reduce the cost of prescription drugs, and increased resources for school choice, including federal tax credits.

It also calls for large cuts in the budget totaling 2.7 trillion dollars.

 

1) 2/3rds of the Budget is not "handouts" - this is completely false. I have been through this claim numerous times with other posters and it is completely false. I am not going to bother (and generally do not do this anyway) with "prove your claim"
It is just false. Hint - a program that the citizen has paid for - like SS - is not a handout.

2) "Beyond Military and Security Spending" ... well yeah - given this one of the biggest causes of the deficit (spending above what we were spending previously) - and a major Trump policy - I guess you would want to ignore that one.

3) "Health care spending for Veterans" = part of Total Military spending - and yes .. a Trump policy.

4) Infrastructure spending - yeah - who doesn't want that ? .. a Trump Policy.

5) Did you factor in the over 500 Billion we are now having to make on interest payments on our debt into your calculation ? I thought not.

What I would do - or cut - has nothing to do with the fact that your premise "Trump had nothing to do with the deficit" is false.

If I was king - I would have cut total military spending - not increased it. Total Military spending (including the VA, intelligence agency and other non-DOD military related items) is over 1 Trillion/yr. That is obscene.

Intelligence agency spending = 80 Billion + 50 Billion if you include the "dark project budget" = 130 Billion. This is double the entire Federal spend of Mexico - a nation that is 11th in the world in terms of purchasing power. It would be gutted under my watch. Especially the portion of intelligence agency spending is going towards creation and dissemination of propaganda on US citizens.

DOD spending would also be reduced. Star wars/Space force would be gone - this is the dumbest of dumb ideas. The first war in space will be the last - the space junk created would forever confine humans to earth due to the amount of space debris that such a war would create. We are not the only nation that has the capability to take out satellites with missiles .. Russia, China .. and even India has this capability.

I would immediately implement Universal Healthcare. 2017 spend was 3.5 Trillion dollars. The federal spending for that year was 4 Trillion - just to put that number into perspective.

We pay nearly double what other first world nations pay on a per person basis - for this money we do not have UH - yet all these other first world nations do. This has nothing to do with love of socialism and everything to do with fiscal responsibility. There is at least 1 Trillion dollars being left on the table. 1 Trillion dollars we can not afford as a nation. The healthcare and insurance oligopolies would be decimated. Price fixing and anti competitive practices gotten rid of. The Medical Colleges would no longer be able to restrict entrance to artificially inflate the wages.

I would completely revamp the way welfare is provided. The idea that we pay some single mother to have her own apartment and so on is ridiculous. There should be large structures for this purpose - run as a collective = the members take care of cooking, child care, cleaning, child education and so on. The ones that are not working at the collective can go out and find work. The kids get a proper education and do not grow up in a disfunctional gang environment. Huge savings and social benefit would be realized. OH OH .. but this is "Social engineering" Yup - and that is exactly what we need to be doing.

All Gov't worker Salaries would be reduced - not by a huge amount - say 2% but they are certainly not getting a raise while we are in a deficit.

Numerous obscene and un-needed programs would be gotten rid of. The cost of admin for programs like welfare and unemployment insurance is nearly as much as the money that gets paid out. People should not need to go through some big process to get UI - or be monitored. They paid for this insurance. A computer program spits out a check every month and that is that. You have a fraud department to combat abuse on a "deterrent basis".

Bad Law would be changed. It is an anathema to the founding principles/essential liberty to claim that someone should not be allowed to smoke pot. Policing this has cost hundreds of billions of dollars - just in policing. Then there is the cost of the judicial process and the cost of keeping these people in jail - never mind the societal cost of criminalizing a large element of the population - and funding the pockets of criminal gangs. Then there is the huge amount of revenue from taxing the product.

Prostitution would be legalized - see above. If two people want to exchange money for sex - I don't care - and I certainly don't want gazillions of tax dollars being spent on policing this - jail - funding the criminal gangs - the cost of chasing down and jailing these folks when they kill each other over this cash cow. We then bring in tax revenue.

It is not rocket science - as soon as Prohibition ended - the vast majority of crime related to prohibition ended.

And I am just getting started.

 

1. Social Security is a handout. It is not a "retirement plan".

2. The military is a drop in the bucket compared to medicare, medicaid, and even the interest on the debt.

3. Good. People who risk their lives so weak people have the right to dye their hair blue should be taken care of.

4. Who doesn't want infrastructure? Have we seen anything from the Democrat held House yet on that?

5. Well, look at that. I did that in step 2.

Of course the left would cut military spending and increase the $100 + billion we're spending on illegal aliens. I have no doubt they'd be that dumb.

The "dark project" budget, for example, gave us stealth technology, the SR71, kevlar, and God knows what else.

This is why you're not King. It would be great for about a year, then we'd be eating out of trashcans wearing burkas.