US Senate declares itself Venezuela under Democratic leadership.

Not true. Consider Michelle Carter who encouraged her boyfriend to commit suicide through text messages. She was found guilty of manslaughter and went to prison for this, despite having no physical connection to the boy's death.

As I said in a prior post to someone else, I think it may be true that Trump's actions do not fit all the elements for a criminal conviction. His defense can argue that he didn't actually intend for the Capitol to be invaded and vandalized. Nevertheless, as a Chief Executive who took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. When the Constitution was written, there were no federal statutes in existence, so the term "high crime and misdemeanors" was clearly not intended to apply solely to strict violations of statutes, but to a more general view of illegality.

Trump had a responsibility to consider the potential consequences of inciting some of his craziest supporters - and it was no secret that he had a lot of crazy supporters, including the violent Proud Boys. Also remember when he praised the idiots who recklessly swarmed a Biden-Harris campaign bus: “Did you see the way our people were protecting his bus?” Trump boasted at a frigid rally in Washington, Mich., hours after he’d tweeted video of the caravan with the message: “I LOVE TEXAS.” “They had hundreds of cars. Trump. Trump. Trump, and the American flag.”

His response to the Capitol invasion was on par with that: “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long"

 

Not so fast. "Instigation" and "Incitement" are both crimes and listed as such in the US criminal code, so yes, a person can be held culpable for the acts of another if he in some way caused or enabled said acts to happen. This is how so many mafia bosses have landed in prison.

 

Your political ignorance of history leads you into several false premises. And among these again, continues to be to assert feelings or opinions into me that I never expressed, never said in any way shape or form. It's frankly, disrespectful. If we're going to continue to have a conversation, try to have it on a respectful basis. I will TELL you when I'm afraid, or hurt or insecure. I will tell you where I stand on an issue. There is nothing that's hidden in the post you quoted. The problem lies in your interpretation thereof, but that's not my problem.

And all of that is good and well, if you can prove it. But you can't. At best, you have a case full of hypotheticals, if not for this then that but that would never past muster in a criminal court. Namely because of intent, but there's also the fact that you'd have to prove a connection between Trump and these individuals. Not only are you not going to get a conviction in the Senate, but you're going to dissuade the DOJ from moving forward as well.

But historically, what we think of abuse is to use presidential powers(or as you would term it, executive powers) in an inappropriate manner. The Ukraine thing might've been serious, with any actual proof of the charge but there wasn't any. There was just the accusation. Is that how low our perception of justice has become? #Believeallaccusations should be a thing now, because that's how low we've gone at least with regard to Donald Trump.

No, we need evidence. We need to compare that evidence to statuary law, and we need to see if it actually fits. Words matter, context matters. Situation matters in order to come to the best possible conclusion. And I'm not above that being, if it fits to throw the guy in a jail cell. He's not my relative, friend or neighbor. But he is an American, no matter how unsightly so let's try not lowering our expectations any further.

I'm promoting no such thing, the institutions are collapsing on their own weight. And in fact, against my wishes. Even as I aspire for Empire, it's important for the foundations of the country to be strong if you're going to build something, anything. Here's the brutal truth: Our founders in the words of Benjamin Franklin: "It's a Republic, if you can keep it." Not only did we NOT keep it, but it's a dumpster fire. And the only reason said dumpster fire still has something resembling first world status is that we haven't been invaded.

Like, that thing at the Capitol was a huge deal because of the fact that we're not invaded. Thomas Jefferson himself said it eloquently that America wouldn't face an invasion abroad due to our geographical advantage(we share the border with Mexico/Canada lols and Latin America poses absolutely zero military threat to the US.)

That has allowed for the political cronyism and theft of the treasury to go into overdrive, as these bastards have us looking at the "1%" meanwhile, the federal government takes more and more tax revenue every year. I'm not promoting our disunion and weakness by opposing a mock trial that accomplishes nothing, where conviction won't be achieved and where public evidence will likely dissuade the department of justice from filing charges.

I'm actually trying to save whatever vestige of this country is left by assuring the Senate doesn't go down with the ship. You'd think a Mitt Romney, whose father was also a senator would understand the importance of the body but the passionate moment to beat the political corpse of Donald Trump is too tempting.

But he won't be convicted. The Republicans wit large announced that with Rand Paul's vote. All this does, is mir the US Senate. What was once a holy place of debate and decorum has now become a place of meaningless trials. I can easily turn it around and say: It's actually the Left that's afraid. Because you know that I'm right and have a full grasp on the situation and context at hand here. Where Biden himself admits it as best he can, the little tap dancing he has to do because of his own party is bemusing.

Lame duck administration before it happened. I mean, it's no skin off my back for our government to look pathetic. It's just sad that it chooses to go this route. And that's the key word: Chooses. They could have chosen to preserve the strength of the US Senate and the Democratic Chamber. Instead, the need for justice was too great and the trust in the legal system is apparently nonexistent(that's another interpretation we can take.)

No, I don't think my position will age well, I think it'll age beautifully. And no, it won't. While the trial won't be considered as a criminal filing, for all intents and purposes the DOJ will see it as such and so would a jury of his actual peers(private citizens, judging private citizens.). Because of this, any public evidence that dissuades from a sedition conviction will essentially tell prosecutors: Nah, better leave this case somewhere else.

It's like getting a sneak peek at what a trial would look like, had they actually brought one. In many ways, the DOJ is happy: It can see the strength of the case before actually proceeding with one. On the other hand, if the case is destroyed it also ruins any possibility of prosecuting this particular case which, given the leaning of several prosecutors politically might upset them.

These are the facts of law, and the conclusion of law: You would have abased the US Senate, for all time. You would have failed to convict Donald Trump and you would have put the last stakes inside the US's political reputation, all because you hate an individual.

It's remarkable, you'll never see a psychosis like this ever again.

 

As I said 'I neither endorsed or asked for it'. So for example, the Jim Jones cult. As long as Jim Jones never advocated for any criminal acts to occur, you could not charge him just because some 'believer' 'believed' that Jones wanted this, with no actual evidence that he did.

Intent matters for instigation, incitement, for all of the above. I mean, even just above a poster admitted that they lack the evidence to sustain a criminal conviction, and likely lack the evidence of a political conviction. So what is this, but a mockery?

The US Senate is above mock trials, it used to be better. It needs to be better.

 

When the Trump was elected, both Senators of Arizona and Georgia were Republicans. Both of those states had a strong Democratic leaning population that had long been suppressed under Republican rule of the states, and voter suppression efforts. For perhaps the first time in its history, Georgia held a fair election, twice. The ballots were counted three times. Each time, the Trump lost.

With the election of the Democratic Senators in Georgia, the Democrats now control the Senate.

So I can see why you would like Republican state legislatures to rig the elections so that the minority party, the Republicans, can once again gain underserved power.

 

The impeachment is an absolute must. The country needs a spectacular exorcism in order to be able to come back to some normality asap.
Traitor Trump must be excoriated!