USA -China Tensions In a Changing Dynamic

Thank you.

 

No biggie.

I'm actually encouraged by this frank, two-way, exchange. I think it's better to put these things out in the open, so neither side has any illusions about the other's perspective. There is such a thing as politics being too polite.

And it's not such a bad thing that this is happening in a world, less-sharply divided along lines of alliance. This spotlighting of each other's weaknesses, before a world audience to whom both sides genuinely wish to appeal, could provide encouragement for each to do more to address the other side's arguments of indictment.

As for Russia & Putin, Biden's strong words may have been more for show, but they were still no-holds-barred. It is only a hint, not even a full suggestion, of what may be to come; but if there is any chance that Biden would take the step of extending U.S. sanctions to apply to Putin, himself-- which has always been thought of, in international politics, as not the way things are done-- it would be a game-changer, giving our country an effective new lever of influence over that despot.

How that would play out, of course, is anyone's guess. If it will come to pass is, now, but an uncertain speculation-- as you say, we will have to wait & see. But there is, at least, a reason to hope that Biden may lead a-- granted, surprisingly-- staunchly-spined, U.S. diplomatic foreign policy.

 

Would you mind sharing your thoughts on what this means? I knew that Putin called back his ambassador after Biden's comments but I don't know what to make of this.

 

It's a rapidly-evolving situation, so it's too soon to venture a guess as to where all this ends up, other than the one I posted in Jeannette's thread, Russian Tanks Cross Border Into Ukraine, a week ago:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...er-into-ukraine.586213/page-2#post-1072521461

The highlight, I think you might be asking for:

 

Thanks for taking the time to respond and share your comments. I wish we could all just get along.

 

That's a great point! Here it is at a glance how much the US owes...

U.S. owes $1.07 trillion to China. That's not too bad.

 

The emphasis is on "former chief"; the news is current and up to date.
Thanks for the video, it is very good.

 

Of course; I'm sorry I didn't have more to contribute, as I haven't been closely following developments (nor, would I think that would be an easy thing to do).

To add a scrap more, it is kind of interesting to muse over the changes that have come out of this wild Covid crisis, and which will have only proximal effects, as opposed to those that could change an historical trajectory.

For example, the incipient Black Lives Matter movement was vastly empowered, like a hurricane making a land-free pass through the summer Gulf of Mexico, by all the layoffs, and assistance, that gave people more free time for activism (despite concerns of being in close groups). This activism, surely, led to greater voter registration numbers, among the black community in particular (I would guess). And this all contributed to Joe Biden's victory, in the Presidential race (besides the more obvious ways, the Coronavirus negatively-impacted Trump's prospects).

Although Biden rec'd over 7 million more votes than Trump, it was only a combined total of 44k voters, in the 3 states of Georgia, Wisconsin, & Arizona, who avoided there being an Electoral College tie. Had that occurred, the House would have chosen the President, but with every state's contingent of representatives only getting one vote a piece. This would have meant a Trump Presidency.

Now, President Biden, in office likely due to the pandemic, with the aid of BLM, has shown that he intends upon putting black & minority rights front & center, and is staffing his Administration with this priority in mind. The question then becomes, during Biden's time in the office to which Black Americans lifted him (starting by insuring he would even be the Party nominee)-- including all those newly-engaged in politics-- will his actions leave a lasting legacy, in the politics of race?

While it is too soon to predict this (either), it is interesting to look for indicators; the first might be in both the verdict and the responses to the verdict, & (presumably) the sentence, of fmr. Minneapolis police officer Chauvin, in his currently-underway (& televised) trial, for the death of George Floyd.

I hope you can forgive me for having, "pulled a Maddow," here. That is, all that prelude about BLM, was just to get us to the additional, "scrap," of thought, I wished to add about the topic of this thread. It's dawned on me that Putin may be intentionally more provocative in his moves, at this time, in order to exploit the pandemic. With so many of the NATO nations, in Europe, still struggling with Covid-19, and Russia possessing its own vaccine-- which it would not surprise me, in the least, to find had been administered with Russia's soldiers at the front of the line-- I can believe Putin would see this as an opportune time to act militarily, with a reduced chance of any opposing, NATO deployment.

So, to play my little game, we now think hypothetically-- if we do see more bold moves from Putin, what might they be? And, by the time things get back to normal, healthwise, throughout the E.U., will these moves have been capable of impacting Russia in a sustained way? To the point that it effectively changes the NATO - Russia dynamics? And for how long-term?


(Do you see how much credit, a smiley-face can buy you, with me?)

 

Wow. All that article's rhetoric sure doesn't make it seem Russia would be thinking of making any land additions, during this Covid-window (blowing a hole in my just-speculated theory). I wonder how much they really mean all of it.

 

Slave Produced Goods have no place on US markets.

Chinese Celebrities Slam Hugo Boss, H&M Stores Forced To Close As Xinjiang Spat Worsens

There's no indication yet on when those stores might reopen.

Hugo Boss has joined several other western clothing companies - notably H&M and Nike, who have finally drawn the line against slave produced products from the Lying Outlaw Slavers of Beijing. The Lying Outlaw Slavers of Beijing dropped their lying smiles and showed their teeth, virtually scrubbing these companies from the Chinese Internet late last week. The message is clear. If you won't take slave produced cotton from Xinjiang - you will not do business with the Lying Outlaw Slavers of China, and that will hurt your bottom line.

Don't think that these lying outlaw slavers don't mean business. There is a short term economic cost to not using slave labor.

There is no free market in the Lying Outlaw Slaver's economy in Beijing. The Chinese Communist Party issues orders and their subjects comply or terrible things happen to them and their families. So if they say "Close their stores, board them up." They close the stores and board them up.

The message is clear. Accept that the Lying Outlaw Slavers in Beijing use slave labor, or be expelled from the Lying Outlaw Slaver's markets.

The US and EU recently slapped new human rights sanctions on China, criticizing the CCP for imprisoning more than 1MM ethnic Uighurs in concentration camps. Beijing has responded by making clear that firms hoping to sell clothes in China can either use slave produced cotton from Xinjiang, or risk a public "boycott". What an interesting dilemma for these "Woke" corporations that so contentedly sit in judgement on our Founding Generation who hesitated to pay the price for ending their dependence on Slave produced goods.

Yes, the parallels are clear. We fought our deadliest war, demonstrating our firm stance against Slave Produced Goods. The Lying Outlaw Slavers of Beijing first lied about their utilization of slave produced goods and now, busted, they are resorting to smashed mouthed mercantilism, throwing down the gauntlet. They are a truly horrible government. They destroy the environment; they rob, steal from, bully their neighbors; they use slave labor; they even force organ "donations" from classes of their people they term "undesirables"; loosed a deadly pandemic on the world and they are now making it clear, use their Slave produced goods or be expelled from their markets.

Our Most Favored Nation Status was always for Democracies. Clinton extended it to China with the expectation that they would become more like us. That expectation was clearly falsified and we have to deal with the reality that Trump so quickly spotted and acted on. These bastards are who they are; Slavers, Thieves and Destroyers of the Environment. In no sense do they deserve the Most Favored Nation Status that we historically extended to fellow Free Nations.

Are you f kidding me?

Somebody with a brain inserted themselves.

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