Utah Legalises Same-Sex Marriage One Day After NM.

I'll suggest the same thing to you I suggested to the gay guy... Go look up the definition of relationship. You're taking advantage of the heterosexual relationship BY using the egg and the sperm.

It's really quite simple. I challenge ANY homosexual couple to create a child without having to use something from someone of the opposite sex.

 

Wrong again! A gay man can without any problem become the sperm donor and therefore he can be the NATURAL FATHER of the child.

Same with a gay woman who can receive the sperm through artificial insemination (I hear turkey basters can work and are much cheaper than going through a gynecologist which charges tens of thousands of dollars!) to fertilize her egg, and she is the NATURAL mother of the child.

 

It would be nice, wouldn't it?

 

Okay if you want to say we should provide benefits for the father and the mother... no problem. But what reason do I have to provide benefits to the gay persons' spouse who had ABSOLUTELY NO PARTICIPATION in the creation of the child? I'm not paying him to sit there with his buttplug up his ass while a man and a woman create a child.

 

No see you've bought into another lie of the homosexuals. This is NOT about marriage. A homosexual couple can go to any city in any county in any state in this country and get married. They can have a wedding, a pastor (if they can find one willing), have all their friends and family there, say vows, give each other rings, kiss, go on their honeymoon and live happily ever after in the same house with each other having gay buttsex until the day they die.

This is NOT about marriage. This is about marriage BENEFITS. They want the BENEFITS that come from marriage. In fact, this is solely an argument about money. If you were to say to the homosexuals, we will give you every benefit that comes from marriage that is not directly or indirectly paid for by the rest of the populace... they would reject it. Because this is not about marriage or rights... this is about MONEY and them wanting us to subsidize their abhorrent behavior.

Don't buy into the lies.

 

Guess what? It's in the works. Almost there.

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/men-no-longer-necessary-for-sperm-production/750

 

I guess gay males will be up **** creek... Ugh I guess that means something different to you guys don't it?

 

Homosexual CAN REPRODUCE just as well as ANY infertile couple. . .probably easier!
And. .don't tell me that a 75 year old woman marrying an 80 year old man may be in the group that "we don't know if they could or not reproduce!"

Come on. . .how silly can your comments become?

Face it, you are wrong and you are desperate because you are embarrassed by the fact that you can't find an argument against gay marriage that will survive critical thinking!

 

What money? Benefits. The only benefits would be SS and they have to pay into it just like everyone else. Or put your partner on your health insurance They still have to pay the prem. on that. Life insurance you can put anyone on that so what other benefits could they get?

 

And you want to make sure we do not have equal access to the same legal and financial benefits as you, just because we are not heterosexual. You want to deny our families and kids the same things you have. We get it. Trust me. You've made it quite clear. But keep making it clear please. It's helping.

 

Another very silly argument! So. . .parents who adopt children should not be giving the tax benefits of marriage either than, since they just "sit there and HAD ABSOLUTELY NO PARTICIPATION in the creation of the adopted children?"

You are so far off base that it is not even funny anymore!

I feel bad about having to show you how ridiculous your comments have become!

 

Nope. We can just mix our cum in a cup and have it injected into a surrogate. You asked me to show how two people of the same sex could have a kid. I did.

Now admit you're wrong.

 

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/marriage-rights-benefits-30190.html

A good direct example of having to pay for benefits. If you have a government employee and he has a spouse that has never worked a day in her life. Who pays for their benefits? It's not the employee. The taxpayer is paying for those benefits.

An example of indirect benefits are exemptions from estate and gift taxes. If they were not married, they would pay taxes on those. However, because they're married they don't have to pay those taxes. Do you think the government simply takes that loss? Of course not, they're going to raise that revenue from somewhere else. Which means the rest of us end up paying for that as well.

The same is true for a healthcare insurance even if they're not government employees. If you have a couple that is not married then they both have to purchase insurance policies. However if they are married the spouse can be placed on the other persons policy. That means instead of two policies, the insurance company is only getting one. Do you think the insurance company is simply going to bend over and take that loss? Of course not, they're going to increase premiums or deductibles or decrease quality of service to make up for that loss which means negative consequences for the rest of us.

This is true for the vast majority of benefits that are derived from marriage.

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No I want to deny you benefits because, in and of yourselves, you are incapable of providing the benefit that we are paying the heterosexual couples for. It's just a waste of money to pay you. You don't provide any benefit for the benefits you're receiving.

 

.... You don't even understand the argument. Go talk to your husband about it... I'm sure you'll be able to understand him.

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No I said show it without them using something from someone of the opposite sex.

I'm still waiting.

 

Really? So us raising kids and making families is a waste? I just want to make sure I have you on record here. BTW- We've been raising kids for a very long time.

Are you going to tell kids raised by same sex couples that they are a waste?

 

Yes because it's not worth the amount of money we're paying you. I thought I had made that clear.

 

You pay estate tax married or not. If your a government employee you pay into retirement your spouse can collect on the employees . Like I can collect on my husbands retirement. I don't know about you but when my husband was alive he put me on his insurance and it cost over 200 a month so it was paid for. These are really lame excuses. You don't have to be part of their life so why do you care. It won't cost you a dime.