UUHHH, Maybe We Shouldn’t Repeal Obamacare

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During the past couple of years a growing number of Congressional Republicans and Republicans in state governments were able to see millions more Americans find health coverage due to the Affordable Care Act. Though they still believe they have dozens of reasons to repeal the ACA, they are coming to realize they have several million reasons NOT to.

Fighting the proposed law helped the GOP in the 2010 mid-term elections, and did so again in the 2014 mid-terms. But, with a Presidential election coming up, stealing medical coverage from 16 million Americans who did not have health insurance before the ACA is now being viewed as a risky political move.

Of course, conservatives and neoconservatives nationwide are convinced most Americans have been hurt by Obamacare. Just as Republican propaganda cultivated the right-wingers’ hatred of all who receive benefits from Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other safety net programs, the GOP’s lies about the ACA also justify leaving these 16 million Americans without medical coverage, in the minds of the right-wingers.

The fear of repealing Obamacare among these Republicans could very well embolden many Democrats who in the past, have downplayed their part in passing the ACA, and their connection to Obama. Being an election year this can only be good for the Democrats.

The reverse is true for the GOP. Showing sudden support for helping poor and lower-middle income families will destroy the credibility of any Republican formerly against healthcare reform. For many incumbents, their opposition to Obamacare alone was why they were elected, which makes a “new message” that Republicans are having second thoughts about the repeal of Obamacare bad for the GOP.

As with so many issues over the past few years, the Republicans are again putting themselves between a rock and a hard place with their right wing voter base, this time on Obamacare. To be a RINO, or not to be a RINO?

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16 million may have gotten insurance but 20 million got royally screwed by obamacare.

I think the republicans will be fine.

My deductible jumped from 500 to 2600.

I will vote for anyone who will repeal that crap.

 

That will not out weigh those votes by people helped by Obamacare.

If what you say is true, Republicans wouldn't be backpedaling. They know the lies they told to fool right-wingers, like "20 million got royally screwed by Obamacare."

Your Republican heroes are turning chicken.

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Brtblutwo, You are ignoring the fact that most of the new healthcare recipients are poor and getting it through state Medicaid now, via the state exchanges.

That could have been done without Obamacare and its new expense. However, the increased dependency on Medicaid is causing big problems for the states. Many of the state exchanges have closed due to lack of funding by states. That is now causing healthcare insurance shoppers to get the insurance through the federal government now, and much is paid by the U.S. taxpayer instead. Eventually, it is doomed to collapse upon itself as the majority of healthcare insurance is only purchased by people that really need and use it, thereby causing yet higher premiums and higher deductibles, ie. the "death spiral."

Worse yet, many low income workers are turning down employer healthcare insurance in the workplace due to high cost and very little benefit. Costs will continue to rise because of this. See article, "Many Low-Income Workers Say ‘No’ to Health Insurance," the article shows an example of 2 out of 600 purchasing employer's healthcare insurance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/20/b...y-no-to-health-insurance.html?ref=todayspaper

If dems get their way, healthcare insurance will be taken over by the federal government, which is what they wanted in the first place, a single-payer system, but the American people would have been more angry about doing that in 2009. It would open the door for all the idiots and do-gooders that want to run our lives and tell us how to live and eat, more so than they do now, not mention all the other crap that goes with a single-payer system. I haven't even discussed how this harms the economy yet. The federal government creates a problem, then tries to solve the problem that costs the tax payer even more money.

Steve

 

You mean the ones that got Medicaid basically for free. No need to repeal Obama Care, just don't increase the funding for the next 4 years. medicaid will choke under it's own weight and Obama Care providers will need to jack the dickens out of the premiums. Just another bad Democrat idea.

 

And most on Obamacare are low income folks who have a far lower voter percentage rate then those who saw negative impacts from this law. So it reall doesn't matter what number you throw out there because probably only about 1/3 of them bother to vote anyways.

 

Any Republican candidate who wants to do away with ACA must present a plan that will kick in right away to take care of those 16 million Americans who will have their medical insurance dropped.

 

The Republicans are probably going to be able to repeal Obamacare after this next election.

We're not getting single-payer.

And the Democrats are unlikely to get a Super Majority again in both houses of Congress and the White House for a long, long time.

 

Sure its called get a job with health insurance.

 

That's just mean.

Maybe those 16 million recent college grads could get a job at the local VFW burning flags.

 

He didn't tell you anything about what insurance he had either. We don't know if it's employer provided, in which case it isn't Obamacare, or what coverage is provided under the before or after policies.

I would bet that this poster can't answer the latter question. Most people with employer provided health insurance can't. They didn't make the purchase decision.

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Tell that to the self employed.

 

Isnt that what I just did?

 

Haven't heard too many Republican candidates advocating eliminating Medicaid.

 

The Republicans will never vote to repeal Obamacare because then the party of no ideas would own the mess that was and is the American healthcare system.

 

Do you know that you can deduct your medical expenses from your income tax?

 

We have to get rid of the mandate, otherwise we will continue to be victims of high deductibles, premiums with no money left over to actually get healthcare. Keep the rules for eligibility for Medicaid.

 

Wow. Winner winner chicken dinner right there.

The ACA is already faltering - it's goals have failed across the board; It's not covering all the people it was supposed to, the co-ops created are all failing with maybe one or two exceptions, costs have not gone down but have gone up (price decrease was one of the primary reasons to pass it), it was forced on the country by law (if it was a good program why does the Fed need a law to force people to use it?), with a 100% partisan passing which literally no one in government read when it was passed.

Instead of forcing things on the American people, simply provide people the opportunity to succeed without federal government interference and Alpha's message would occur. People would get jobs, be productive and earn the coverage for themselves and their families instead of what we have now, which is productive and working American's paying for the healthcare of non-productive and non-working Americans and some illegals getting healthcare.

 

Poll after poll have shown Obamacare has hurt close to twice as many as it has helped.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/178094/say-health-law-hurt-instead-helped.aspx

But supporters of the law say that is only a poll, that it was Republican propaganda and not based in fact. But when one has a plan pre-Obamacare that has just the coverage a person and his family need and is forced off that plan by Obamacare laws which now adds a bunch of stuff to the plan that neither he or his family will use or need and his premium doubles, triples that is hurting him. Others had their deductibles rise from 250 or 300 to a 1,000 or 2,000 or more, that is hurting him. It is stuff like this that are just shrugged off with a so what by the supporters. They do not care.

Obamacare added 10 to what 15 million to the medicaid rolls. Still finding a doctor who accepts medicaid is getting tougher and tougher because of that addition. According to Kaiser, nearly a third of all doctors will not see new medicaid patients. Did you really help these new additions by putting them on medicaid when they still can't find a doctor to see them? Of course the number of doctors who accept medicaid vary from state to state, from a low of 40% in New Jersey to a high of 99% in Wyoming.

Specialist is even worst, only 49% of cardiologist accept medicaid, 27% of Dermatologist and so on. Again this varies state by state. What is left unsaid about these numbers is that these specialist that accept medicaid are not accepting new medicaid patients. So one can say, we gave you insurance, but you still have no doctor to see. But that makes Obamacare supporters very good inside and they will defend this to the max.

Obamacare supporters say we put 20 million people on medicaid, we gave them insurance. Never mind using national averages that 7 million of those you put on medicaid still does not have access to a doctor or family care, that 10 million of the new medicaid insured can't see a heart doctor and 14 million a skin doctor. But you added your 20 million and that is feel good time. Never mind the reality of the situation.

 

Exactly correct

 

How many Republican States expanded it with Obama Care? In 2014 Republicans picked up 3 more Governorships bringing that total to 33 and just this month they took 1 more.

In 23 states now we have - the Republicans control the governorship, the Senate and the House or the assembly. So total control - all levers of government in 23 states. Democrats can only say that about seven states.

I think the people are smart enough to know the Federal money for the expanded Medicaid will dry up and they will be stuck with the bill.

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For example, if you have a modified adjusted gross income of $45,000 and $5,475 of medical expenses, you would multiply $45,000 by 0.10 (10 percent) to find that only expenses exceeding $4,500 can be deducted. This leaves you with a medical expense deduction of $975 (5,475 - 4,500).

$5,400 out of pocket and $975 deductible. Not much of a deduction.

 

I understand. The the supporters of Obamacare wonder why the majority of Americans still oppose it.

 

I had an Obama Care policy for a year, as of June I am insured through my employer. The difference is like night and day.

 

I think you are trying to cover up for the fact that you are confusing Medicaid with Obamacare. But confusion on your part is not an infrequent event.

 

Better then zero money.